another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.

[poynt99]

Rosemary, I'll try to clarify my concerns:

3) Then we apply our element to a variable power supply source. This to determine the rate of current flow required to heat the element resistor to 50 watts under standard series conditions from a 36 volt output.

With 36VDC into an 11 Ohm element, the element dissipation is about 118W. Therefore, could you please clarify your quote?

4) Then we apply an appropriate resistor in series with those 3 batteries to represent the control.

I think I may understand this now. But if you want 50 Watts dissipation in a load using a fixed 36 Volt supply, why not simply use R = V²/P? Computed as such, you would require a 25.92 Ohm load resistance connected to the 36V battery supply for the control.

5) The three other batteries are applied to our experimental apparatus.

How are you going to adjust your apparatus to match the dissipated 50 Watts in the control load resistance? Are you going to use the same load resistor type, model and value as used for the control? It's important to use the same load resistor type, model, and value for the control and apparatus, otherwise it is not a fair and rigorous comparison between the two.

6) We must be able to monitor the temperature over the element resistor AND the voltage on the batteries both on the control and the experiment - continuously.

Of course. And what will the course of action be if the temperature between the two drifts apart for some reason?

[TinselKoala]

These are Rosemary Ainslie's exact words, which she has not corrected or retracted:

According to what has been carefully established it takes 4.18 Joules to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade.  We've taken a little under 900 grams of water to 82 degrees centigrade.  We ran that test for 90 minutes.  Then we upped the frequency and took that water up a further 20 degrees to 104.  We ran that part of the test for 10 minutes.  Ambient was at 16.  Joules = 1 watt per second.  So.  Do the math.  4.18 x 900 grams x (82 - 16) 66 degrees C = 248 292 joules per second x 90 minutes of the test period = 22 342 280 joules.  Then ADD the last 10 minutes where the water was taken to boil and now you have 4.18 x 900 grams x (104 - 16) 88 degrees C = 331 156 joules per second x 10 minutes = 3 310 560 Joules.  Then add those two values 22 342 280 + 3 310 560 = 25.6 Million Joules.  All 5 batteries maximum potential output - available for work - is 10.3 Million Joules. In that test alone the battery outperformed its watt hour rating.  And that was just one test.

Is this or is this not a TRUE and CORRECT STATEMENT?

What am I "alleging" here? Just what is being "alleged" by whom?

I just want Rosemary to either CONFIRM that she stands behind her statement, or CORRECT AND RETRACT IT.


How about this, Rosemary. YOU get someone you trust and respect, who has the requisite knowledge, to explain to you what's wrong with your statement and claim. It's really clear, from your avoidance of the issue, that you don't even understand what is wrong with your claim.

25.6 million Joules in 100 minutes is an average power of over 4 KILOWATTS.

[TinselKoala]

@ .99

Rosemary said, "This to determine the rate of current flow required to heat the element resistor to 50 watts under standard series conditions from a 36 volt output."

Which once again shows that she doesn't understand the basics of energy, power, time, and Ohm's law.

Heat a resistor to 50 Watts? Using a rate of current flow?  WHAT

Do you see what I meant when I said that you need to make sure Rosemary understands the basics before you start talking about testing anything? Now temperature is measured in Watts and power is measured in Amps per second.

And however are you going to be able to compare your present tests, at 50 or 120 Watts, with Rosemary's test that is the basis of her claim... where she achieved an average of about 4100 Watts into her 900 grams of water in 100 minutes?
25.6 million Joules.... don't stand too close!!

[poynt99]

I've asked Rosemary for clarification on her quote. Hopefully I've made clear my concern, as you have yours.

[TinselKoala]

Note that, using her own exact  _data_  as cited, the performance of the circuit is unremarkable when the energy calculation is done correctly.

This is why I have such a hard time with this thread. Rosemary is claiming a monetary prize or maybe two, based on data which she has analyzed incorrectly in such a blatant manner that it is clear to everyone who actually considers the quote I keep quoting. She continues, as in your present discussion, to misuse basic terms of energy, power, and circuit performance. Her claim of "infinite COP" is based on the battery recharging, the battery recharging is based on the conclusion that the tests performed used much more energy than the battery could have supplied, and that conclusion is based on three separate math errors in her analysis. Even using her own exact experimental data, the conclusion is seen to be false when the calculation is correctly done, and in fact the batteries could likely have performed 30 such tests without going below 12 volts each.

What is wrong with this picture?