another small breakthrough on our NERD technology.

[TinselKoala]

Rosie said, "From where I sit you have NO argument against our numbers." To .99.... but I'm quite sure he agrees with me, on the argument against Rosie's numbers. Which I will repeat again below. Rosie's numbers are wrong. Mistaken or deliberate prevarication.... take your pick, but wrong they are indeed. The "overunity" battery performance is actually quite ordinary, because Rosemary VASTLY overstates the energy used up in her "tests", due to her lack of understanding energy, power, their units, their relationships, and basic mathematics.

For evolvingape and eatenbyagrue: You are correct in your calculations.... but the quibble about exact values and exact computations misses an important fact: we are dealing with experimental data. You cannot have more significant digits in your answer than the LEAST number of significant digits in the input data. Here are the numbers I used: 4.2 Joules per Calorie, 60 degrees temperature change, 100 grams water, 60 minutes. And I got 7 Watts average input, and 25000 Joules energy input. Close enough.

Now... compare with the way Rosemary does the calculation. By her mistaken reasoning, the energy input was 25000 Joules PER SECOND  TIMES 60 minutes, or 1,500,000 somethings, which she mistakenly calls "Joules"... because she thinks a Joule is a Watt per second.

Observe:
Quoting Rosemary Ainslie, in post #666 of this thread:

NOW.  Let's look at your 'self-runner' demands.  We have never recharged those batteries - with one exception.  Two caught fire and BOTH were fully recharged.  We've had those batteries since January 2010.  We've been running them since August 2010.  I've now FINALLY checked their rated capacities.  They're 40 ampere hours each.  We've used 6 of them continually since that time.  According to this rating they are each able, theoretically to dissipate 12 volts x 40 amps x 60 seconds x 60 minutes x 1 hour x 6 batteries.  That gives a work potential - a total potential output of 10 368 000 JOULES.

According to what has been carefully established it takes 4.18 Joules to raise 1 gram of water by 1 degree centigrade.  We've taken a little under 900 grams of water to 82 degrees centigrade.  We ran that test for 90 minutes.  Then we upped the frequency and took that water up a further 20 degrees to 104.  We ran that part of the test for 10 minutes.  Ambient was at 16.  Joules = 1 watt per second.  So.  Do the math.  4.18 x 900 grams x (82 - 16) 66 degrees C = 248 292 joules per second x 90 minutes of the test period = 22 342 280 joules.  Then ADD the last 10 minutes where the water was taken to boil and now you have 4.18 x 900 grams x (104 - 16) 88 degrees C = 331 156 joules per second x 10 minutes = 3 310 560 Joules.  Then add those two values 22 342 280 + 3 310 560 = 25.6 Million Joules.  All 5 batteries maximum potential output - available for work - is 10.3 Million Joules. In that test alone the battery outperformed its watt hour rating.  And that was just one test.  Now.  Over the 10 month period that those batteries have been running at various outputs - which, when added to the output on just this one test - then I think its safe to say that the evidence is conclusive.  Those batteries have outperformed. They are still at OVER 12 volts EACH.  They are all of them still FULLY CHARGED.

So she would, in my example, have OVERSTATED the energy used from the battery by a factor of 60 TIMES. But she used 90 minutes.... so in other words, her "tests"... if she has even done them and reported the numbers honestly..... use 90 TIMES LESS energy than she has claimed. It's no wonder her batteries don't deplete.... because she's hardly loading them at all with these tests as described.

We aren't even mentioning the fact that she is counting the same energy twice, as well as inflating it by a factor of 90, can't even subtract 82 from 104 (she gets "20") and clearly doesn't understand what "PER" means mathematically.

So you see: her entire claim of overunity rests on the batteries not discharging as fast as she thinks they should have done, based on the WRONG calculation of the energy required by the tests. Since this is WRONG, her claim of excess energy is WRONG and must be retracted. Anything else is just... FLAT OUT LYING.

Oh... by the way... a fully charged 12-volt lead acid battery, under no load --- that is, by simply putting a voltmeter across the terminals when the battery is sitting there out of circuit ---, should read about 13.5 volts or even higher. They will read over 12 volts until almost completely discharged, when tested under no load.

[Magluvin]

Why - if he's a 'good guy' does he take Glen off moderation?  And then allow those posts of his?  Where everyone tries to knock the technology - Glen shouts over the entire thread and his accusations are pure calumny and so far out of line as to be actionable.  Yet Harti does nothing?
  It is NOT my work to post.  I would need to engage one of the collaborators.  And they have ABSOLUTELY NO INTEREST in engaging on these forums.  I've explained this.
I have NOT posted details of the work.  There's nothing to find.  I may have posted the screen download.  But can't swear to it.  I've got one waveform that could be right but it shows 3 batteries and - from memory we used two.  Quite apart from which I'm more than willing to do the ONLY test that may prove this conclusively.  One would have thought that it's relatively easy for Prof Jones and/or Poynty to find academics to approve those protocols.  I've done my bit Mags.  Above and beyond.  Why should I do more.  We've posted CONCLUSIVE proof related to measurements.  Where else has any OU claim been as thoroughly reported?  And WHY then is this fact being so HEAVILY discounted.  From where I sit there's an agenda.  Under usual circumstances there would be some acknowledgement.  But all that SCORN?  AND NOTHING ELSE? WHY?
I have NO criteria.  I don't even know what you mean.  The ONLY thing that this thread was restarted for was to challenge Poynty and Prof Jones for their prizes - and that only to assure our readers that our results are DEFINITIVE.  They've both gone to some considerable lengths to deny this.

Kindest regards,
Rosemary

Hey Rose

Ive been on here since 2009 or so, and I read a lot of what Stephan posts when he does that I see, and I can see he definitely is pro fe, in my honest opinion.  I believe that when you put your threads up, that he is in full hopes of seeing something good. Can you say otherwise? As for Glenn, I suppose once the threads get to the point that the "tech" really isnt being further proven in anyway and its all just battling that never fully brings proven answers to issues to the table, then the thread becomes probably useless to drive space for the site.

In order to have a successful thread of your tech, you may just have to provide more proofs than you have already. I know that you will disagree, but this is politics sweety.  I think you will have to do a demo for people that you want to convince.

It is hard to convince people to replicate your setup, mostly due to costs of the batteries(most wont get that kind of donations), and having the proper equipment, time and so forth. If poynt does purchase THE batteries, that will be a first. ;]

Rose, sometimes just words an pics on a thread or blog is not enough to convince. I know that you dont have the funding to do public demos. This is a ruthless business to be in without the funds to push it forward if you have something.

I know you have stated that there are working replications. But if they cannot be verified, this hurts your case to even say so. It is best not to use these references with your claim if they cannot be produced. I have police, sheriff and atty friends that would say this is basics.
So doing so will not help but hurt.

"I've done my bit Mags.  Above and beyond.  Why should I do more.  We've posted CONCLUSIVE proof related to measurements.  Where else has any OU claim been as thoroughly reported?"

I know how you feel. And considering thoroughly reported ou, being that it isnt done that often, then you cannot say for sure that you have done enough, due to there is nothing to compare it to. I know you think you are done, but that is up to you, not based on anything we can fathom. OU is not normal, or familiar ground that we can refer to.   Do you know what Im saying?  ;]

When I say criteria, I mean when you say "I've done my bit Mags.  Above and beyond.  Why should I do more"  Thats what I mean. Well, if it ist getting you what you want yet, then maybe you need a few more bits, and maybe you need to go higher above and beyond, and maybe do more.  Geddit? ;] 

Once a few years ago, I thought I had the magnetic motor problems solved. I was working on the Whipmag replications, trying to recreate TK's aka Al had posted a video of on YT. To see it, knowing what it was suppose to be, it gave me such a boost into researching FE that I have dedicated most of my spare time ever since.

I came up with this new idea that mechanically flipped the stator magnets in sync with the rotor to make it continuously spin. I made a test setup to prove my concept and the demo worked to my expectations. I was chatting with OC, the idea man behind the Whipmag, about of my new project idea, and was premature with trying to get info on who I could get the motor tested and approved. A company that does testing on these types of things. Oc recommended Al, as he said he knew of such places.

So I engaged conversation with AL/TK on YT pm about what I was looking for and why. I had described it just a bit at first, and he sounded interested. But in trying to get an answer as to where I could go, he asked me to explain the idea a bit more before divulging the company as he said the idea needs to be serious and working before he would even venture to have me engage them with it. He was being cautious, because if he refers me, he would not want to waste their time. Understandable.

I became trusting, and began to explain in words, and he seemed to be soaking it in.
along the way, I would ask for the companies name and would get , not yet answers. I became paranoid as to divulging more, and I told him that all that I divulged was incorrect on purpose to get a simple answer from him. When really it was all correct. I was scared. I thought I was being taken.  Paranoia will destroy ya.

But ya know what, when I told him that it was all fake descriptions he did give me the company name and we hadnt spoken since. I was embarassed.
I felt badly of the whole situation and wanted to appologize to him after a bit, but I figured i had ruined any trust level while in my paranoid state I was in for a while.

I felt bad because we were getting along pretty good, very friendly. He is a very smart guy.

Later I had fully made the machine. All hand made with a precision anyone would respect.  Only when it was all together, did I realize my mistake of increasing the count number of stator and rotor mags from the original test demo caused issue with turning only one stator at a time. It was contacting  more than 2 at a time all of the time. I was pissed. I screwed up major.

http://www.overunity.com/9103/magluvins-magnet-motor-mmm-being-released-for-open-source-developement/   Pics vids and details

Well I put it down for a while. I was burned out on it. I was hurting also financially due to putting too much time, thought and energy into the project and neglecting other things at the time. Was also in between jobs for a bit there.

Once I had calmed down from my paranoid state, which seemed to be always, after some months,  I realized that open source was the best thing for any device. I had learned that patents and making money ideas were fruitless. So before rebuilding I posted all of the info on it here as open source. I still have not gotten back to it. Some day. I became attracted to the electronics end of OU. It seemed logical to try for it electronically as the end product of electricity is universal. Making an ou motor only to have to convert it to electricity would not be convenient built into a cell phone. If it can be done electronically, we skip a step in a way.

As for the 555 circuit, like I said, saying it but cant show it is a statement that will be problematic for you, as you can see. ;]  Better not to introduce things that you later cant provide.  Im sayng all of this in the kindest way I can. Please dont take it as an attack in any way. ;]  Im not here to discredit you.  Just help.

I gota get something to eat. Ive only eaten some strawberrys earlier.  Been too busy to eat yet.

Magsy

[TinselKoala]

And, by the way... I've built and tested the current circuit under discussion, using 2n7000 mosfets and a 3-volt battery pack and my Interstate F34 FG and my old HP180 oscilloscope.

The circuit behaves just as expected, oscillates nicely, oscillates more and with higher voltage in the oscillations with the battery TOTALLY DISCONNECTED.... because it's running on the power from the function generator. With the battery in circuit, it lights an LED... in one direction only... when the LED is put in series with the load... or even in parallel with it. This behaviour is consistent across at least 3 orders of magnitude of driving frequency, from tens of Hz to tens of kiloHz. Using a non-contact IR thermometer, I have confirmed that one mosfet does all the switching and heats up to over 110 F, even when the battery is disconnected and the circuit is oscillating off of the FG's stimulus, while the other mosfet stays at room temperature. Varying the FG's DC offset while keeping the same 8-10 V p-p in the square wave, causes the oscillation to shift phase in the output signal, in a neat sort of way.

Groundloops, power from the FG, a whacky circuit.... all add up to minimal drain on the battery, so it lasts a long time, even though the current and voltage readings indicate otherwise. No recharging going on, of course.

I'll be posting a video shortly. Meanwhile.... for those who object to my use of the 2n7000, all I can say is.... show me that there's a significant difference. SHOW ME, don't just postulate it.

[TinselKoala]

@Mags: No worries, mate. I know you are intellectually honest enough not to delude yourself more than "necessary". And I know you will educate yourself if there's something you're not sure about or don't understand. So I wish you the best of luck.... but I also wish you find a better tree to "bark up" than PMMs. Myself, I think that you've got to rip apart the vacuum to get anything to fall out of it.... so I am fond of rapidly changing very strong electric fields. (Magnetic fields too, but it's a lot easier for the "amateur" to arrange strong electric fields than it is to get strong magnetic fields. I mean really strronnng.) So that's what I do... I rip apart the vacuum and sometimes, interesting things fall out.

[Magluvin]

TK