Muller Motor, Regenerative Accelleration, Shorted Coils - Burning question! :)

[void109]

This question has been burning within me for a long time.  I have not seen it answered (granted, I may have missed it, but there are LARGE quantities of data on this subject), and I have been too lazy to build a motor myself (I have too many incomplete projects underway as it is!) just to answer this question.

So let me just come out with it.

Has anyone tested the shorted coil scenario, such that you measure the RPM of the rotor WITH AND WITHOUT THE PRESENCE of the OPEN coil (which will get shorted to produce acceleration)

Throughout all of the hooplah surrounding Romero's replication of the Muller motor, and Thane Heins 'Regenerative Acceleration' technology, I have not seen anyone perform this test.  My suspicion the whole time was that the presence of the coil, even in an open state, was some how creating drag on the rotor (through some capacitive effect?), and that by shorting the coil turning it into an LC circuit relieved the drag on the rotor.

If that is all that is occurring, then I would not spend time pursuing this effect.  It seems like a simple test to perform (if you have the rig built, which I do not).

1) Run Rig with NO coils installed near rotor & Measure RPM & Power Consumption A
2) Install OPEN coils (to later be shorted) & Measure RPM & Power Consumption B
3) Short coil(s) installed in step #2 & Measure RPM & Power Consumption C

Specifically looking to see if there is improved performance in C measurements versus A measurements.  Does the rotor set up with shorted coils providing acceleration outperform the same setup with NO COILS INSTALLED.  In all of the videos I have seen over the last year, everyone has been measuring unshorted coil performance versus shorted coil performance, but not the performance with ALL pickup/shorted coils removed from the setup.

If anyone can point to an experiment covering this subject, I would be very grateful.  I expect I have just missed this somewhere, and I have waited six months to ask this question.

[petersone]

Hi Void
Thane did show a video where he ran the motor with the door open,the door held the coils,so the coils were nowhere near the rotor,he then closed the door,whilst the coils were loaded and the rotor increased in rpm. and the draw to the motor decreased.I agree with you that without that test it is all a bit meaningless.
peter

[void109]

Hi Void
Thane did show a video where he ran the motor with the door open,the door held the coils,so the coils were nowhere near the rotor,he then closed the door,whilst the coils were loaded and the rotor increased in rpm. and the draw to the motor decreased.I agree with you that without that test it is all a bit meaningless.
peter

Hi Peter,


I'll have to scour the web and see if I can turn up this video, and see if the proposed measurements are presented.  I'll also see about posing this question to Thane directly.