MAJOR BREAKTHROUGH BY PHILLIPS - HIGHLY EFFICIENT HYDROGEN PRODUCTION!

[ydeardorff]

Since they discovered this process by accident when working with catalytic carbon in their chemical laboratory, they must have started with qualities of CC already in the market.

CC just does what it is meant to do, being a catalyzer and to activate the CC even further doesn't sound impossible.

Also, a well known catalyst enhancer is ultra sound.

The only reason for aluminum is to capture the oxygen freed in the process, thus being
able to produce hydrogen only.

Seems like a quite feasible project to evaluate the validity of this claim long before
Phillips will reach the market with a functional Hydrogen generator.

Gwandau

Funny i should find this, this morning after I ran my carbon cell last night. Although I lack a base line conductivity test, after i ran my cell for one hour on each batch of 3 teaspoons of potash per gallon of distilled water. the second I diluted by half twice. After all was said and done both batches were blackened from the carbon soot that is released from the carbon eroding during the electrolysis process. So I measured the conductivity of the electrolyte, What i found supported my hypothesis. The carbon ash or whatever it is released into the water was increasing the conductivity of the water. My first batch measured 260 ohms on the 2000K ohms scale, then the second batch which had been diluted twice by half, was reading 120ohms on the same scale.
So even if carbon were out as an electrode its helping to make my electrolyte cleaner, and more conductive.
   I noticed that even after diluting the electrolyte down to 10 amps while it was running, it would quickly climb right back up to 30 to 40 amps. I'm sure the heat produced (enough to lightly sting the fingers) about 120 degree or so, was contributing, but it was not the only contributor.
So carbon powder may be a safer and more efficient add in to make electrolyte. Then place that in a titanium cell and watch the reaction.
The trick is titanium doesnt like to be in the anodes position, but loves the cathode. So what would be a good replacement for the anode?

Goes to figure after three years worth of research someone beats me to the punch on this. LOL

My theory is since carbon is a very reactive (electrically) element, these small particles are making a daisy chain of electrical conductivity that each produce gas. This larger amount of bubbles coalesce into larger bubbles, and make less foam, and bubbles left in suspension.

This carbon emulsion is easy to get, its heavier than water and separates after a night of sitting. a drain and a low point would lead to large quatities being collected as a by product. So in essence my carbon cell may become a mother cell that makes the electrolyte for other cells, as its by product.

The biggest problem i see with this, is its a chemical reaction, driven by heat. So whats to stop it? For the stop and go world of the automobile, as well as home heating, to even a torch this is a step in the right direction, but I think it needs more control. Having worked in composites, thermal runaway is a scary thing. As well as a hydrogen plant in your car that would keep making gas, while your in shopping. Could be a bad thing....

[neptune]

Whilst this technology is new and exciting, there is a downside to it that nobody seems to have spotted. I do not wish to urinate on anyone`s bonfire. So what is claimed is that we can split water with very little energy input, and get large amounts of energy out . However during the process , aluminium is consumed and turned into aluminium hydroxide. Yes, the hydroxide can be recycled back to aluminium, but to do this, consumes large amounts of energy. The production of 1 Kg of aluminium uses 12 to 15 Kilowatts of electricity, and is usually only done in countries which have so much hydro power that they do not know what else to do with it.


So your hydrogen powered car actually runs on aluminium. The good news would be that the cost of aluminium scrap would rise exponentially, and beer and coke cans littering our streets would become a thing of the past .

[ydeardorff]

IT WOULD DRIVE UP THE COST OF BEER!

No I agree, this isnt the answer, plus an unbridled chemical reaction with any way to shut it down can be damn dangerous,

[WorldPeace]

I think Phillips has been reading the posts on here concerning this supposed accidental discovery. Too much coincidence for me.  I have just started but where exactly is the use of aluminum been recently mentioned as either the anode or cathode of choice? We can only hope that the amount of Aluminum thrown in the dumps will be reduced, I have been recycling as much as I can for a longtime. Should I start keeping it till the price goes up?
I was reading on the blogs how one the best Cathode materials to use is titanium, maybe with all of the Carbon particulate in the solution the electrolyte solution will become the anode more or less.
& To stop the H gas production why not just shut off the power to the cell or in extreme cases have a drain plug to dump the electrolyte solution from anodes quickly and shut power at same time?
God Bless & Keep up the good work y'all!

[ydeardorff]

I think Phillips has been reading the posts on here concerning this supposed accidental discovery. Too much coincidence for me.  I have just started but where exactly is the use of aluminum been recently mentioned as either the anode or cathode of choice? We can only hope that the amount of Aluminum thrown in the dumps will be reduced, I have been recycling as much as I can for a longtime. Should I start keeping it till the price goes up?
I was reading on the blogs how one the best Cathode materials to use is titanium, maybe with all of the Carbon particulate in the solution the electrolyte solution will become the anode more or less.
& To stop the H gas production why not just shut off the power to the cell or in extreme cases have a drain plug to dump the electrolyte solution from anodes quickly and shut power at same time?
God Bless & Keep up the good work y'all!

Yes, aluminum sucks on both sides of the cell. In one position it reacts almost violently, in the other it acts like a 10KW diode and stops anything from happening at all.
Aluminum, as Ive been told, is one of the worst metals to use due to its manufacturing costs, and by products such as flouride (poisonous in pure form).
Titanium is just like aluminum except as the cathode its wonderful, no erosion at all with great production. But as the anode, it stops all production.

The carbon precipitant in my cell works very well as a conductivity catalyst. However, I fear without a PWM, my cell would melt down as the amps would either run out of control, or blow my very expensive power supply rated high enough to start a car.

But the carbonized electrolyte I dont think would work as a stand alone it would still need an anode.

The problem with this (major break through) reaction cell, is its a chemical reaction, not electrolysis. As I understand what I read, the electrical part is only used to heat the cell, where then the reaction takes off, and it will not stop until the heat drops back down. The problem is you can get thermolytic runaway. This is not only dangerous, its scary as hell. 
Using aluminum, and carbon electrodes would produce massively, however, it wouldn't last long. Especially if like in my cell where the carbon is adding to the electrolytes conductivity, the amps would run out of control.
Though this works, what Ive read thus far on it, worries me, that once started it cannot be shut down. Now if I missed something, and this IS an electrolysis device, and the aluminum and carbon are just additives then great. Find a stable non poisonous anode, with a titanium cathode, and dump in the electrolyte with the carbon and aluminum and let her rip. However, My personal tests have shown you get plenty of reaction with carbon in the electrolyte, without the need to recycle aluminum waste afterward. After only one hour of runs my electrolytes resistance dropped by 126 ohms just from carbon in the electrolyte (even after diluting it by half twice to keep the amps down).