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Overunity Machines Forum



Magnetic Engine

Started by vineet_kiran, February 10, 2012, 08:34:41 AM

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Low-Q

Quote from: lumen on March 01, 2015, 12:38:01 PM
Through extensive shield testing there is an interesting effect I have seen that could warrant further testing.
Consider the pictures below.
The problem with this is that it is harder to slide away the shields at stage 5, after the magnets are pushed together in stage 4, than it takes to slide the same shields away when the magnets is already further apart - for example in stage 2.

Because when the magnets are together, more magnetic field is going through the shield.
When the magnets are apart, like in stage 2, the magnetic field is also traveling through air and not only through the shield.


Vidar

lumen

Quote from: Low-Q on March 01, 2015, 03:52:53 PM
The problem with this is that it is harder to slide away the shields at stage 5, after the magnets are pushed together in stage 4, than it takes to slide the same shields away when the magnets is already further apart - for example in stage 2.

Because when the magnets are together, more magnetic field is going through the shield.
When the magnets are apart, like in stage 2, the magnetic field is also traveling through air and not only through the shield.


Vidar

Low-Q
I was still updating my post before your reply but in fact, the shields will repel themselves for a segment of the magnets due to the field traveling in the same direction through the shields.
If the shields are held at this point to the magnets, the magnets will then repel each other and once separated the shields will once again pull themselves over the magnets and the process can repeat.

I have done much testing with shields and understand what you are saying. That is why I say this was the only method I have seen that may be exploited for energy gain. (or not)


lumen

I suppose what this really means is the next logical experiment.
Because we know that the shields will repel and open due to like field repulsion that will in turn cause the magnets themselves to repel, that leads to the next test.

Suppose the shield is made of laminations that were separated from like field repulsion the same as a sheet spreader and of course would take some work to compress them together but in their compressed condition would form the "U" shield.

Now, when we move the magnets together and the field strength increases, the laminations would simply repel harder and not only that but once they separate on their own the magnet themselves will repel each other.
So not only is there an energy gain in the separating laminations, but also in the repelling of the magnets.

Pirate88179

Quote from: lumen on March 01, 2015, 05:19:16 PM
I suppose what this really means is the next logical experiment.
Because we know that the shields will repel and open due to like field repulsion that will in turn cause the magnets themselves to repel, that leads to the next test.

Suppose the shield is made of laminations that were separated from like field repulsion and of course would take some work to compress them together but in their compressed condition would form the "U" shield.

Now, when we move the magnets together and the field strength increases, the laminations would simply repel harder and not only that but once they separate on their own the magnet themselves will repel each other.
So not only is there an energy gain in the separating laminations, but also in the repelling of the magnets.

Where does this energy gain come from?  The magnetic force?  Force is not energy.

Bill
See the Joule thief Circuit Diagrams, etc. topic here:
http://www.overunity.com/index.php?topic=6942.0;topicseen

lumen

Quote from: Pirate88179 on March 01, 2015, 05:21:57 PM
Where does this energy gain come from?  The magnetic force?  Force is not energy.

Bill

Very true, but force over distance is energy.