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[Low-Q]

Potential energy in a weight at point A will not change just by changing the return path to the weights start position at point A. Gravity powered machines can therefor not work. Point A represent a fixed potential energy. If a weight is travelling anywhere and returns to point A, there is no excess potential energy applied to that weight when it has returned to point A. So that weight cannot power the system by itself because no potential energy is applied to it in order to make the machine work.

[Rafael Ti]

Right, but gravity wheel is not about lifting weights, it's about levering, actually multi-levering. Multi-levering means you can not just draw out the weight or pair of weights of the system and try to prove that whole system won't work...  The potential energy in levered weigts varies depending on lenghts of arms they work on, not only on hight . And the trick is that these arms change their lenghts continously.  This is why in overbalancing wheels the weights on one side have more potential energy than weights on the oposite side regarding to the point of support, even if the numbers of weights on both sides are equal. And this is why I think the gravity machines do work... although not for everyone /for Bessler did/

[iacob alex]

 
   Hi!
A closed loop of a mass between two gravitational levels has an evident null energy sum,amount (see the old "m*g*h interdiction..." topic).

A leverage (two masses...) can be "something different"...due to inertia.

     All the Best! / Alex

[Rafael Ti]

Possibly Alex... I am amazed by Mr Chalkalis invention. It looks like his wheel or whatever it is utilizes both; centrifugal and gravity forces. Perhaps this kind of forces are used by all unbalanced wheels? I'd like to illustrate the difference between simple lifting and leverage. If we lift and hold mass1 in position like on picture 1 the potential energy of this mass E1 is less than m1*g*h due to mass m linked to m1 on opposite side. This is why we can't consider just one or two balls of the whole system.
Now, if I move the support of this see-saw up to the center to balance both masses, the whole energy disappears! The masses didn't do any work. I didn't do any work as the support moves friction less and the force I put is perpendicular to the force of gravity.
Now, what if I move the support back still holding m1? Would I create the energy ex nihilo - from nothing? Of course no. It would be the energy from gravity. So I can energize mass with potential energy from gravity without moving it and invert the process in the same way.
This energy can be turned into kinetic and this is what the overbalancing wheels do.

[iacob alex]

 
     Hi Rafael!
Amazement is a pleasant sensation for a "circus" performance,knowledge is necessary when you have (or intend) a "job" to do.

Some people like "why make simple,when you can do it complex ?".

Some people like "why make complex,when you can do it simple?".

As I see ,you begin with a simple sketch:a line,m,m1,h,d

Here  can be a starting point for everybody...

I retain some useful ideas:...to energize mass (or masses?!)...with potential energy from gravity .

       All the best! / Alex