Centripetal Force Yealds Over Unity

[TinselKoala]

Good for you ! Phun is still phun, after all. I've been able to get it to do a perpetual gravity-spring wheel that rotates along stretching a spring and then being pulled back around by it, that keeps on turning and turning and turning.....

It might be the only physics simulator that actually allows you to violate CofM and 2LoT.  It's just a damn shame that Nature doesn't cooperate in the same manner.

Now, instead of sliding weights around, couple that linear motion into a crankshaft and pulley arrangement and feed it back to your prime mover. You should do this in your garage with your bicycle. You could do it with plywood and PVC pipe and maybe an actual pulley or two from an old washing machine.

If time doesn't wash you down the drain towards the center of the planet, that is.

[AlanA]

Hi MoRo,

haven't known that you are here also ;-)
Maybe you have seen that I start a thread with about your idea (http://www.overunity.com/12194/centrifugal-force-is-it-ou/msg317221/#new).

Do you have a calculation or a measurement about the input force and the output force? That would help in this discussion.

[Low-Q]

Hi MoRo,

haven't known that you are here also ;-)
Maybe you have seen that I start a thread with about your idea (http://www.overunity.com/12194/centrifugal-force-is-it-ou/msg317221/#new).

Do you have a calculation or a measurement about the input force and the output force? That would help in this discussion.

Hey, just wait a minute
Input FORCE and output FORCE?
You need to calculate the ENERGY in Joules. If the toolbox weights 50N and lifted 5cm each revolution, the energy applied to the box is 2.5Joule in average pr. revolution. Bearly noticable for a flywheel like that.
You see, then the flywheel starts to jump up and down as well, this movement will steal kinetic energy from the rotation. Because the inertia of the tool box will delay the jump so the weight on the wheel loose kinetic energy for each jump.


Vidar

[MoRo]

Hey, just wait a minute
Input FORCE and output FORCE?
You need to calculate the ENERGY in Joules. If the toolbox weights 50N and lifted 5cm each revolution, the energy applied to the box is 2.5Joule in average pr. revolution. Bearly noticable for a flywheel like that.
You see, then the flywheel starts to jump up and down as well, this movement will steal kinetic energy from the rotation. Because the inertia of the tool box will delay the jump so the weight on the wheel loose kinetic energy for each jump.


Vidar

When you use the word jump, you are talking about energy expended in one direction against gravity. But this device produces force in 2 directions OR each HALF cycle.

Force will accelerate a given quantity of mass to a certain speed within a given period of time when said mass has no other outside influence.

Force is therefore a measure of Energy that takes Joules into account.

If you lean on a tree to exert Force on it, you are expending energy, even though the tree isn't moving away from you. But you would accelerate it if you and the tree where in space.

Over each HALF cycle, after the initial buildup, the Force (energy) required to maintain the speed of the centrifugal mass throughout said half cycle is less than the output Force (Energy) in that direction of output amplitude.

In other words...
Example only not accurate figures:
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Mass (A) on the centrifuge receives 10 Nm^2 to keep it rotating at a certain rotational speed (regardless of losses) for each half cycle...
The output produces Force that averages 100 Nm^2 over this same time period.

1.) To what speed will  Mass (B), a copy of mass (A), accelerate from 0 mph if 10 Nm^2 is applied over the time that Mass (A) completes one half cycle?

2.) To what speed will  Mass (C), a copy of mass (A), accelerate from 0 mph if 100 Nm^2 is applied over the time that Mass (A) completes one half cycle?
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I hope you understand the implications.

[MoRo]

Faster acceleration of mass evidences Over Unity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjIIDquFCAU