Why PM magnet motors and PM Gravity machines cannot possibly ever work

[Gwandau]

 

No, I mean that I disagree with the original poster as per his statements that PM gravity and magnet motors cannot ever work.

I also think that the ideas describing both gravity and magnetic fields within this thread are incorrect.

My view on how magnets work is that they are lenses, or  antennae if you will, that focus energy that already exists. The manifestation of that energy where we can interact with it is what we call a magnetic field.

Just George,

You are the first one I met here that uses the analogy "lenses".
Therefore I take the liberty to deviate from the actual subject of this thread and give you an idea
about the origin of my own view about magnets being a sort of lenses.

This is exactly what is described in the unparallelled unified field theory, Unity, by David Barclay,
which is the only existing relativity theory literally worth its name, since the very fundament of this theory
is that everything, from the smallest particle to the biggest galaxy cluster has a unique center oriented field value relative
to everything else. Thus even the speed of light depends upon from which field system the measurement is performed.

In a relative universe there is only one energy - the underlying unified field. Everything else is but a response to the condition
of this field, be it light, elctromagnetism, gravity, matter, you name it. David Barclay stresses that our concept of energy is a
total misconception, being just a form of "resistance" between two field levels. The only energy existing is the underlying energy
that projects this universe into being, an Aether described in his theory as an non linear accellerating time field frequency far beyond
our normal concepts of an Aether.

According to the Unity-theory, magnets are not themselves the very origin of their attractive and repulsive qualities,
but merely acting as a sort of lens refracting the underlying field, where the appearance of attraction and repulsion
is caused by a decrease or increase of space created between the poles of the magnets.

If you are interested in David Barclay's insights, welcome to the gravity control forum at  http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum

The link below goes to my own so called Casing Theory based upon the Unity theory.
Here you will get a quite easily digested introduction about what the Unity theory is all about.

http://www.gravitycontrol.org/forum/index.php?topic=328.msg2183#msg2183

Gwandau

[Just George]

I don't know who Mr Barclay is, but what you described is sort of how I view the universe. It's difficult to explain in laymans terms, but in short, I think that everything is a field, with what we describe as "matter" or "energy" or whatever it is merely being some kind of compression or differential within that larger field.

I also believe that some fields overlap one another, and may not interact with one another, or if they do, only interact on a limited basis.

For example, what we perceive as being our physical reality is some sort of compression of a larger field, and we may only interact with other elements of the field that are compressed in a similar way. A little bit like radio frequencies, whereby similar radio frequencies may overlap and interfere with one another, while a radio frequency and a frequency is, say, the visible light spectrum do not interact with, and hence not may not perceive, each other.

In that vein, it means that different "dimensions" may exist in the same spot in time and space without interacting with one another because their fields are out of sync, in one way or another, be it frequency or density (or both, since they're related).

So anyway that is why I disagree with you in regards to PM devices being impossible. Everybody thinks that free energy is about creating energy. I personally think that it is about either diversion of energy from somewhere, or it is about knowing how to access existing energy within some sort of device that makes that energy oppose itself within our field, so that we can create a differential that we can take advantage of.

In other words, the trick to free energy isn't to make it - the trick is to figure out how to turn it on and off within our field, and then to take advantage of the differential that you have created in a way that benefits you (by making your device move).

Hope that makes sense.

[parisd]

There is one gravitational system difficult to build but that will work, where Archimede force through water help to rebuild the potential energy of a mass.

A mass fall in air from elevation H to elevation h aquiring kinetic energy that can be used, the problem is that same amount of energy is needed to bring back the mass to elevation H but if the mass is introduced in water at elevation h then water will help to bring back the mass to elevation H without consuming energy (the mass idealy should have a density of 1 or lower)

I have somewhere the drawing and the name of the system and I have seen a video few years ago from Tseung (one member of this forum)

So yes I beleive there are ways to bring back potential energy without consuming energy and that gravitational systems may work, I admit my explanation may not be clear without a drawing.

Dennis

[Gwandau]

Just George,

I totally agree with you regarding the possibilities to create a vector differential in magnetic polarity.
Sorry for being unclear regarding my standpoint in PM motors, which I never actually touched in my post.

What makes the Unity theory extraordinary, is the strange experiences by David Barclay in the late 50s and early 60s,
as being subjected to a quite rare form of alien abduction, were their sole mission seemed to present to him the very engine that makes
the UFO:s fly, inside a field system like our planet, as well as performing jumps between different field systems, like between stars.

It consisted of a four tier ring system of huge magnets positioned as an upside down cone, each magnet positioned
in unison angle with the rest of the magnets.


He was informed that this magnet engine was able to modulate the underlying field, thus enabling the craft to change its field
identity to any field identity of destination, thus going there instantly. They also told him that time is created by each field system,
and that time propagation is different for each field system.

Therefore it is impossible to leave the solar system very far by conventional linear means,
since the farther away you go from the center of the time field, the slower will be the propagation of time. 

This explains the anomalous slowdown of all the NASA long distance vessels, like the Pioneer vessels:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2002/feb/28/physicalsciences.research


David Barclay, who is a dear friend of mine, has devoted most of his life to put down on paper in an understanable context,
what was conveyed to him during the three encounters.

As far as I am concerned, there is a lot more to magnets than meets the eye.
And still today there is not one person who can explain what makes a magnet attract a piece of iron from distance.

Gwandau

[quantumtangles]

One poster "strongly disagrees" with my original post (by the way, this is not a customer satisfaction survey from a hamburger chain). Another poster refers to UFOs. I realise we are dealing with a broad spectrum of educational and intellectual backgrounds here but...seriously...wtf?

If you have a serious non-delirious argument to make about PM magnet motors and PM gravity machines, by all means make it. It would assist all concerned if you could make reference to:

1. A working device, or
2. Mathematical calculations showing that such a device is possible

Saying that you "strongly disagree' with the original post is not very helpful. Nothing prevents you from saying it, but it is essentially meaningless. Tell us what you can demonstrate or dazzle us with an argument. Once again (bearing in mind the broad spectrum of intellects and educational backgrounds here), show us just one example of a PM magnet motor (that works), or one example of a PM gravity based device that works. If you cannot (which of course you wont be able to because they are IMPOSSIBLE), then at least provide detailed mathematical calculations (as I did).

If you are not prepared (or are unable) to do any of the above, you STILL have a remaining option. You can explain, using detailed calculations, why MY calculations (concerning the impossibility of gravity based PM devices) are wrong. So there are plenty of options here for intelligent debate.

If, on the other hand, you are a primitive, with 'faith based' ideas about perpetual motion, please do not contaminate this thread. There are plenty of other threads where unsubstantiated garbage about PM magnet motors and UFO abductions will be welcome.

This thread represents a genuine attempt to educate people who meet the minimum requirements for de-perpetualmotionising. The minimum requirements are (1) Some sort of vestigial brain stem and (2) (in the case of those already infected by PM algorithms; reprogrammability.

References to UFOs and hamburger satisfaction questionnaires do not help anyone. I realise it is not your fault...(that you do not understand)..and that you have no choice in the matter...(because you do not understand), but if you do not meet the minimum requirements, don't bother posting.









You do know what patronising means.............................don't you?