Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

TK:

It's got to be more red pixels indicating a net current flow clockwise in the circuit.  Net current flow clockwise spells curtains for Rosie Posie who speaks erroneously.

As we know, the battery voltage readings are a fake, and that is throwing off the DSO average power computation.

MileHigh

Got to be... yes, perhaps. But did you count them?  I think it's a close call. Red wins, but it's close. I've done it several ways.

[TinselKoala]

Ok.... so what about SCRN0235, then?

I'd like somebody else besides me to compute the instantaneous power level during the Gate HI portion of the signal when there are NO OSCILLATIONS and then use the duty cycle to determine the average power dissipated by the circuit, neglecting the oscillation portion. Just compute the DC power level and adjust it for the duty cycle to give the average power.

What is the magnitude of this power, computed without even referring to the oscillation portion?

Where is this power dissipated? Do we expect anything to get warm, just from the DC power alone, not even considering the power from the oscillations?

Finally... where is this power coming from? There are no oscillations, it's just a normal mosfet turned on, for that Gate HI timeslice, isn't it?

So I think that even if zipons are true... .during this part of the cycle the zipons are irrelevant. Right?

So... that means that the battery must be supplying this heat.

And if the battery is to somehow maintain its state of charge, then the oscillations MUST be replenishing it somehow, because it manifestly IS LOSING charge during the ON period without the magic oscillations.

Please....anybody...  look at this trace and compute the DC power level.

[fuzzytomcat]

http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg279127/#msg279127        Reply #283 on: March 24, 2011, 07:13:07 AM

Guys,  I can't get the test up again until Saturday.  Meanwhile this is for Harti.  It will be a whole wack of screen shots - and I'll give comments against each one.  So.  Apologies for this but there'll be multiple posts following.

This one.
Channel 1 = Rshunt
Channel 2 = Vbatt
Channel 3 = Gate
Channel 4 = Drain

These settings never vary.

a - cycle mean rshunt
b - math trace a x c
c - mean average vbatt
d - mean average rshunt

Typically an example of very high wattage disssipation at the load.  In this case > 44 watts
Note that the cycle mean is negative - the mean average is positive.
Math trace - as in all examples stays negative.

Included here to remind you all that high wattage dissipation does not automatically result in a postive cycle mean average.  AGAIN.  That example used in the demonstration was intended to highlight the concern related to the phase

condition of those voltages that result in an infinite COP.

SCRN0235.jpg

http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg283299/#msg283299          Reply #932 on: April 27, 2011, 07:25:26 AM

Here's a better example where we're into wattage dissipation at something close to 80 watts.

Added.  I've been going through the hundreds of samples that we've got.  But the real 'runaway' numbers just happen too quickly to get a down load of the data.  I could however get a screen shot and shall try and do so this week.  The

sample I've shown here is at a high frequency.  We can get this at slower frequencies - but I need to be nimble.  It often ignores the setting and then just keeps going north.  And I'm not that keen on spoiling any more of those FETs.

SCRN0235.jpg

Hey TK,

I find it quite odd with the same scope shot SCRN0235.jpg with referencing the load resistor wattage dissipation would change such a drastic amount from 44 watts to 80 watts in a months time. 

It's also curious what Rosemary maybe referring to on spoiling any more FET's ( additional RA terminology - mosfet, transistor or switch )

The only LeCroy oscilloscope screen shot I could find after SCRN0235.jpg was SCRN0238.jpg approximately 38 minutes later.

Fuzzy

[TinselKoala]

@FTC: Yes, exactly. Queue the funeral march from Aida. We have just been shown a mosfet tortured to death.


But seriously... please compute the actual DC power, instantaneous and average, in the shot SCRN0235?  If I do it (I have) you know who will say you know what.

The point of SCRN0235 is that: during the Gate HI portion of the duty cycle, there is significant (boy I'll say) DC power being passed. Ignoring the oscillations, and using the duty cycle, what then is the AVERAGE POWER from just the DC that flows through the circuit during Gate HI?
Since this is DC, and there are no oscillations while it is happening, inductive effects aren't there. Oscillations aren't there. ZIPONS are not there. It is just a mosfet being turned on in a simple series circuit.  There is no magic during this time EVEN IF AINSLIE's ZIPONS ARE TRUE. The oscillations are what make the magic.... or are they, since she now claims to be able to make the negative product without oscillations. HOOT !

This scope shot alone falsifies Ainslie's entire project, all the way down the line.

[TinselKoala]

Golly, guys, that was so much fun I nearly forgot.

Fig. 1: Strewing some inductances about the battery pack
Fig. 2: The resultant frequency, to eight accurate and precise significant digits
Fig. 3: The scopeshot. Negative mean power product? I dare say so.