Testing the TK Tar Baby

[Magluvin]

Hey Gmeast

You should hang out here for a bit and go over some of these things with TK.

It doesnt have to be a slapfest. ;]

I can post links to how I defended Rose for the longest, even though I didnt know if her claims were right or wrong. I just felt that here she is, most always nice as pie and very friendly with quite a vocabulary, indicative of more smarts than me, but getting seemingly beat up by some of these guys and I just went off.  As it went along, I was paying attention to TKs vids and posts, to find what he was doing that had shown that Roses circuit cannot be OU as she claimed. As it went along, these guys 'really' figured out why the circuit oscillates, and so many details that 'are' correct vs her analysis, of which Rose seems to know nothing about nor cares. So I became engaged in watching and learning from them.  its all here on these pages
Rose did not like this apparently as I appeared to be in agreeance with a few details.
She turned on me like a wild cat after it took the food from your fingers. I queried as to what here issue was with me, but it just got worse and worse and the things she said of me, well you can read it and find out for yourself. Its all on these pages. ;]

That was a turning point for me. Just guess how I felt. All the attacks I put on these guys, just to protect 'my friend' whether my friend was right or wrong.

As time goes by, she really is showing her true colors, and it isnt the resistor color code, of which I doubt she knows.. Lets see, bad boys rape our young girls but violet gives willingly.    Throw any resistor at me and I see the numbers. Like learning a different language that becomes normal. Very basics stuff. But from what I see in Roses posts from then on, her technical ability and knowledge, most of it is wiki quotes along with clear misunderstandings of most of it. She tends to learn some things these guys had shown her and then turns on a dime with tons of crappy posts.

Without really knowing what is going on, it might seem like these guys are just bullying her. Well my one friend from Fizzx.org from last I heard, still gets  the worst of the worst emails from her. Im very relieved that I dont have that problem. ;] Very

Just a heads up G. Search and yee shall find, the truth.  I did. ;]  And believe me, you will too. If not now, definitely later.

Cheers
Mags

[gmeast]

Hey Gmeast

You should hang out here for a bit and go over some of these things with TK.

It doesnt have to be a slapfest. ;]

I can post links to how I defended Rose for the longest, even though I didnt know if her claims were right or wrong. I just felt that here she is, most always nice as pie and very friendly with quite a vocabulary, indicative of more smarts than me, but getting seemingly beat up by some of these guys and I just went off.  As it went along, I was paying attention to TKs vids and posts, to find what he was doing that had shown that Roses circuit cannot be OU as she claimed. As it went along, these guys 'really' figured out why the circuit oscillates, and so many details that 'are' correct vs her analysis, of which Rose seems to know nothing about nor cares. So I became engaged in watching and learning from them.  its all here on these pages
Rose did not like this apparently as I appeared to be in agreeance with a few details.
She turned on me like a wild cat after it took the food from your fingers. I queried as to what here issue was with me, but it just got worse and worse and the things she said of me, well you can read it and find out for yourself. Its all on these pages. ;]

That was a turning point for me. ...........................................

Cheers
Mags

Hi Mag,


Thanks for the advice.  Whatever the tools these guys used to determine that it can't work doesn't matter.  The things I've seen and tests I've performed say otherwise.  As I mentioned before, I "boo boo'd" on some calculations, so what?  I've changed my strategy and I still see potential for this.  I believe the guys here have only shown that it can't work (theoretically) just as much as Rosie has shown that it CAN work (theoretically).  Those oscillations are NOT the only defining trait of this technology. I haven't shared everything I've done nor have I shared everything I've seen.  There are probably 100 different analyses that can show why this technology CAN'T work, and all will be based on 200 year old doctrine and NO forward thinking.  I have searched for mathematical models and analyses that define the relationships between the nano-second transients, voltage, oscillations (and their harmonics) and heat, to say nothing of these things as they relate to wire made from nickel, ferro-nickel alloys, and alloys with negative temperature coefficients.  The anomalous electrical and thermal behavior of these materials when subjected to sharp voltage transients and certain frequencies is only now being acknowledged and studied in the mainstream.  What's really going on here are those 'odd' behaviors and they can't be defined by the 'old' outdated, limiting, confining rules and laws.


I'm NOT going to join the 'Club' ... and I mean the type of Club these guys are beating people like me down with,  It's NOT going to happen.  I'll still share my findings, but not here.


Regards

[Magluvin]

Hi Mag,


Thanks for the advice.  Whatever the tools these guys used to determine that it can't work doesn't matter.  The things I've seen and tests I've performed say otherwise.  As I mentioned before, I "boo boo'd" on some calculations, so what?  I've changed my strategy and I still see potential for this.  I believe the guys here have only shown that it can't work (theoretically) just as much as Rosie has shown that it CAN work (theoretically).  Those oscillations are NOT the only defining trait of this technology. I haven't shared everything I've done nor have I shared everything I've seen.  There are probably 100 different analyses that can show why this technology CAN'T work, and all will be based on 200 year old doctrine and NO forward thinking.  I have searched for mathematical models and analyses that define the relationships between the nano-second transients, voltage, oscillations (and their harmonics) and heat, to say nothing of these things as they relate to wire made from nickel, ferro-nickel alloys, and alloys with negative temperature coefficients.  The anomalous electrical and thermal behavior of these materials when subjected to sharp voltage transients and certain frequencies is only now being acknowledged and studied in the mainstream.  What's really going on here are those 'odd' behaviors and they can't be defined by the 'old' outdated, limiting, confining rules and laws.


I'm NOT going to join the 'Club' ... and I mean the type of Club these guys are beating people like me down with,  It's NOT going to happen.  I'll still share my findings, but not here.


Regards

Hey G

No problem. Just giving a heads up.  I wont bother you again after these few things..

It wasnt the tools used. It was the circuit rose used, 'supposedly', we dont know due to serious contradictions along the way.

I wasnt suggesting any club membership. Just discussions of the circuits and getting this thing straight between people who are involved.When mud gets slung in your face, we tend to want to throw some back. It doesnt have to be that way. If you were to respectfully begin discussion, I trust you would get respect back. It goes both ways.
But look at what Rose says, and do you see all the mud in both directions?

Wanna know whats funny G. I bet the house, if you asked Rose what she has always thought of me since we met, I bet that house she would consistent with her recent views of me rather than what you can read before she grew horns for me. ;
How do I believe this so whole heartedly? Because since the horns, I saw consistent denials of things she said even an hour before let alone the rest of it. Talk about being blind but now I see. Oh the colors. ;]

You will too. Its inevitable. Look around.  Where are the team? Would they not be on that new site of hers? I know that she claims that they would never join here, but why not there???  There is no team. Bah, maybe someone to hook that contraption up and make the scope adjustments, and 'test the batteries for state of charge. Oh, she doesnt do state of charge tests of the batteries, nor does the team, err maybe team member.
I have 3 electric bikes. 2 are 36v one is 3 sla 12v in series, the other is 30 D cell 1.2v nimh in series, and a 48v, 4 12v sla in series. There is a thing called battery balancing when they are put in series. Those 30 D cells, if one is out of balance, there will be different power levels available to the system depending on that balance. Charging them all in parallel at 1.2v will not balance them. Each cell has different tolerances. Does Rose charge them with a 60v charger? or what ever voltage she uses, or all 1 at a time at 12v? Or just charge 1 battery after a fire and leave the rest as they were and add the newly charged battery to the string? Been a green driver for over 5 years. Not one gallon of gas did I buy for that period of time. I have 2 pontiac fieros, on is the v6 with 80hp shot of nitrous(been getting a serious makeover) and the other is an electric conversion in progress.

I know a bit about this stuff. And I can tell you that without tediously testing the state of charge of those huge batteries that Rose used, she cannot claim that there was no charge taken from the batteries nor charge given to them. She is definitely not reading the scope properly and did you see the pic of her circuit that Poynt pointed out that shows where the ground probes of the scope are? Her pic, wrong connections.
Its all here on these pages.

She supposedly was going to do these tests earlier this year or something. Says there is testing going on now. Meanwhile supposedly sent the rig to a lab and they said it was draining the batteries, yet she still lays claims to the batteries getting charged from the circuit, then its that there is more output than input, then its back to the batteries never losing any charge. Next week it will be something else. If that was my rig and I sent it to a lab and they didnt get the readings I got, I would be on the phone, skype, or go there myself and straighten that situation out. You can bet the house on it.  But it was just accepted sent back. And what, no in/out OU report from them? Cmon G.

This isnt a joke G. Im dead serious. 



Thats all.

Good luck with your efforts and no ill will. ;]

Mags

[gmeast]

Hey G

No problem. Just giving a heads up.  I wont bother you again after these few things..

It wasnt the tools used. It was the circuit rose used, 'supposedly', we dont know due to serious contradictions along the way.

..................................................


Thats all.

Good luck with your efforts and no ill will. ;]

Mags

Hi M,


I appreciate your input.  If you notice, I'm not following any of the protocols she outlines.  I'm simply generating a battery discharge curves for a series of batteries totaling 24VDC using 2 precision power resistors ... 100Ohms and 200Ohms.  I generate a curve (plot) of the calibrations. Then I'm tuning and running my circuit on the batteries and recording the differential temperature between a TC bonded to the RL interior wall and an ambient TC positioned nearby ... all in a relatively draft-free environment.  The RL is tilted so that there is a damped flow of ambient air up through the center of RL ... damped with a very loose cotton ball.  This guarantees not too much turbulent flow and prevents laminar flow. There is an equilibrium temperature attained and represents the power from the circuit. I plot the battery stack discharge like with the resistors.  I immediately follow with an RL differential temperature calibration using a Precision DC Power Supply and match the differential temperature attained during the circuit test.  Though indirect, this second RL calibration states what the circuit power actually was ... with good accuracy ... much better than 20% (TK).  The goal is to target and hit either the 100Ohm calibration curve or the 200Ohm calibration curve and then compare the relative power represented by each the respective curves.  This is all I'm doing.  I'm NOT taking anyone's word for anything.  The guys here are determined to make the world turn away from the possibilities of this technology by way of this thread.  Anyone reading this thread and buying into it, should just remain happy paying for the yachts, expensive cars, lavish homes an what all else owned by the oil and other power executives.  I'm trying to do my part to help mankind.  What's this thread doing to that end?

[Magluvin]

Hey G ;] This is M here. lol

I had not been following over there. Well if you have something different than what was suppose to be Roses circuit, then I can say nothing of your circuit yet.

Sounds like you have a handle on it in many technical aspects.  Can you post the circuit here? Id like to see what you have going.

Im all about OU. My record here shows it.

When I first met Rose here, I had a circuit that I called The Believe circuit. Well what I believed was a miscalculation of multiple caps switching from parallel to series. Poynt got involved and pointed out my mistake, and he was right. When he pointed it out that morning, I thought, couldnt be? and I posted that I will have an answer by noon. Ended up he was right. I had done lots of resistor network calculations, Thevenin theorem, but this charged caps parallel then series calculations for what I thought was correct kept sticking me in that side like a pitch fork. Wont make those mistakes again. ;]  Its not a common circuit dealing with caps this way other than voltage multipliers that charge in parallel 'and' discharge in series without switching, just configuration and diodes.

Any way, keep on keepin on. Im still working on that cap project, now with corrected thinking with results Im not sure what to make of them.

A quick prelude. Battery, switch, diode, inductor and cap all in series with the switch open.

Close the switch and hold, and the cap has more voltage than the battery due to the flywheel effect of the inductor and is stuck in the cap due to the diode.

Now, if we time or gauge how long we hold the switch on to the point where the cap is at the same voltage as the batt, (here we have 1 more diode in the circuit that isnt active till the switch is released), then the inductor continues to freewheel its current to the cap as the field is collapsing.

So we charged the cap to the voltage level of the battery with the switch on then off, and the charge in the inductor continues to add to the cap till its above the battery voltage. 

Now, if we cut off the battery when the cap reaches battery voltage, we have claimed a 'certain' amount of energy from the battery to the cap, being that a cap at a certain voltage is calculable to the same amount of energy every time. Then the inductor continues to charge the cap beyond the battery voltage till full collapse.

I am further into it now. But I dont post a lot of things that I dont think are worthy of an audience till things get interesting even if its not OU.  ;]

Alright, I gota eat before I pass out.

Mags