Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

Stefan is right. The bias power supply, whatever it is, FG, battery or regulated PS, is in SERIES with the main battery pack (just in case anyone had any doubts before). Using a voltmeter with positive lead to the main battery positive and the negative lead to the negative bias source..... one sees the TOTAL voltage of the two sources.

This is sort of like making out with a girl in a dark room and then when the lights get turned on...you see that it's your own sister, or worse yet... her dog.


Video uploading now, of me making out with a dog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9bAM96KDEg

[TinselKoala]

I had to be a bit farther from the camera so the narration is a bit low-volume. But you should be able to make it out if you turn it up.

TKSteadyCam (tm)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v__sdafi3nE

[MileHigh]

Well TK!!!

That clip was the Clip of DOOM.  lol

I am laughing to myself and kind of bewildered.  Bewildered because of the NERDS IN SPACE feeling I am getting.  Like where where the NERDs during the umpty-nine months that they were experimenting with this setup?  I can just feel it in my bones that none of these basic investigations were done.  They had the excessively long wires between the battery setup and the pegboard and just played with the blinking lights on the DSOs in ignorant bliss with essentially the same setup day in and day out.  At least that's what it feels like to me.

I take it for granted that this type of investigative work was all over Rosie Posie's head, so she was incapable of contributing to any serious circuit analysis at NERD Central in South Africa.  But what about the NERDS and their EXPERTS?  Lost in time, and lost in space, and meaning?

The interactive investigative process is fun, but even in the "Internet age" it's relatively slow, and your work load is tripled or quadrupled when you add the servicing of the forum, YouTube, making and editing clips, uploading clips, and trying to live at athe same time.  The reason I am saying that is because if I had "free reign" on the NERD setup for two days unfettered, I would have done something similar to what is going on now though our LCD monitors.  I would have scoped that sucker inside out and looked at each battery, followed the trail of the increasing pulse voltage, etc, etc.

Here is something I probably haven't said before but it is so apropos:  What do you do when you have a switching circuit and a power supply that is remote from that switching circuit.  I am talking on a PCB level here, my home turf, and it can easily be extended to the NERD circuit.  The DUH! answer is that you add decoupling capacitors.

And that concept can be extended one logical step further.  The "power entry point" for the NERD circuit should never have been a stack of mysterious batteries six feet away.  Where the battery positive and negative wires make contact with the pegboard is where there should have been some fairly robust power decoupling - that's the true power entry point for the circit.  The same old drill, one or two big electrolytic capacitors, perhaps a smaller electrolytic capacitor, and then your all-important very small ceramic capacitor.  If you did a good job of it, you should get a steady DC voltage with a very small AC voltage on top of that.

So then you are talking about measuring the CVR voltage against the voltage at the power entry point on the pegboard.  You ignore the spaghetti of cables that lead to the remote batteries.  Now of course Rosie Posie will come back say that you "need" the long wires to get the "COP infinity effect" but she knows that that tired old argument is getting very stale as she watches all of her investigations get outclassed by a skilled person with a 1974 analog oscilloscope.

So you can expect that the crunch down on the CVR voltage and the voltage at the capacitor-decoupled power entry point on the pegboard would show that the NERD circuit was actually consuming power.  OMG, you killed the delicious oscillations on the power supply and as a result you killed the COP infinity effect... NOT.

Like I said from the very beginning, this is all a misunderstanding.  It's the mindless guppies swimming up against the fish tank glass effect.

MileHigh

[MileHigh]

It's worth mentioning that going back many months that Poynt went to the trouble of modelling the long wire interconnects in his PSpice simulation of the NERD circuit.  He did the standard thing where you put a series inductor of a few nanohenries to account for every 10 inches worth of wire, etc.

Then Poynt moved some virtual voltage probes along the wires and measured the power at different points.  He showed Rosie that the power you measure depends on where the voltage probe is placed.  He also got negative power measurements.  Rosemary simply dismissed Poynt's hard work about the moving probes and refused to listen to him or discuss it.  TK has a term for that, Rosemary's willful ignorance.  Too much willful ignorance equates to willful something else.

Poynt of course simulated the oscillations, which Rosie loved, and showed how you can measure negative power and he also showed the true positive power consumed by the circuit.  I was pleased to see this because the data was absolutely compelling but.... guppies guppies guppies.  Super guppies.

In the end, Rosie simply cherry-picked what she wanted from Poynt's PSpice work, and that was that the magic oscillations could be simulated in PSpice.  (Thanks to the Renaissance and the invention of calculus and the modeling of circuit components with differential and integral equations and the application of matrices to solve for circuit variables using linear network analysis!  lol)

Poynt deserves a lot of credit for that work, I just wanted to mention that.

Also, as far as power decoupling goes, anybody that has looked at a modern PC motherboard for a 95 or 125-watt processor can't help but notice this.  Surrounding the CPU socket there is a bloody forest of decoupling capacitors and voltage regulators straining to "feed the beast" with relatively clean power.  It's almost shocking to see how much capacitive decoupling there is around a modern processor compared to the 'old days.'  Processors these days are screaming and plow through data at an alarming rate.  If you were alive and tech savvy in the 80's then it's shocking!  Enough to make you jump out of your skin!  lol

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

Hi TK, I'm curious to know, do you guys actually think anyone with half a brain even believed Rosemary's claims ? Some claims are quite old. It is good to see the system
evaluated like this though. I still don't get it, why do people think they actually have a device when they are using function generators for signals. The energy consumed by the
function generators to run should be included as input. Tell her to come back with a system not connected to the grid. If a 555 timer is used to provide the signal then it's input is
considered input because it is part of the system. Rosemary's system has function generators as part of the system so all of the input to them is also input to the system. I think
that would instantly destroy her claims without much work. Does she include the input to the function generators from the grid as input to the device and include that into the
C.O.P. calculations. Imagine what she would say if a person turned up to evaluate the setup and the first thing they did was put a watt meter on the input to the function
generators so they could include their power consumption in the C.O.P. calculations. That would be the first thing I would do.

Now a better mark would be Thane Heins, although he has no credibility in my books he has more people believing him than Rosemary does I think. Some of us would be
prepared to donate money to have systems evaluated properly. And the glory would go to the one doing the evaluating. Why stop at Rosemary, busting her crazy claims won't
solve much.

By the way I like your Telsa coil TK, it's very nice.

Cheers

Yeah, you're right about all the input power needing to be accounted for. But there certainly were some smart people suckered into trying to help RA for a while. Like I've always said, most of her actual data can be reproduced without a lot of trouble, even the nonsense scope shots and the blown mosfet traces. The problem arises when the smart people who have replicated her results still can't produce real evidence in support of her main claims. Many have tried and many have failed, and they are seduced into initial participation by the claims themselves, which are made with a superficial appearance of credibility, especially when companies with Letters For Names are supposed to have been involved. But when the smart people start looking deeper and asking for evidence that actually supports the main claims... and they don't get it... then Rosemary turns on them with claws bared and fangs dripping toxic honey. It's happened over and over again. FTC is a good example of this.

Thanks for admiring my TinselKoil ! I'm especially proud of it.

(Decoupling caps all over the place in there, plus some other caps like DC blocking and gate pulse driving. Note the trifilar toroidal gate phase transformers.)

ETA: I just realized something.... that looks like I actually have IRFPG50s in there ! They are the only transistors I can remember buying that are in the TO-247 case.