Testing the TK Tar Baby

[poynt99]

Guys,

In terms of simplifying the circuit, I did this in a step-by-step fashion a year ago to date (2011-04-25) here (the discussion is also interesting, and recommended):

http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg283067/#msg283067

See also the post above this linked one (Reply #892).

One other that is interesting:
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg283544/#msg283544

[TinselKoala]

Are you losing your control there?  TK?  Again?

It is you who have lost control, Ainslie.

Your "project" is out of your control and you are in fear.

You continue to make all kinds of ignorant and ridiculous statements in your flopping and flailing about, but apparently YOU DON'T EVEN REALISE that what WE have been doing here for the last WEEK is using STEFAN HARTMANN's suggested DC bias source.... WHICH  ALWAYS puts a negative voltage at the Q2 sources.

ALWAYS 100 percent of the time.

Just like your function generator does in your minutes-long negative going duty cycle pulses.

And it makes oscillations, and it makes a NEGATIVE POWER AVERAGE which is even of the same order as the NERD circuit shows under your analysis.

So where is this reflected in the oscillations on the CRV? As WE have all seen, it behaves JUST LIKE YOU CLAIM IT DOESN'T, and your NERD device will behave exactly the same way... how could it not, since it's the same components wired in the same manner? 

Why don't you make a predictive hypothesis based on what you claim is the way your FG functions. "IF someone puts a FG or a negative voltage source at point X, the circuit will do Y."   Then we can both test that hypothesis on our circuits. That's the way to progress, and that's exactly what you will continue to avoid: comparative and honest testing of hypotheses.

What will happen if YOU supply a 5 volt positive voltage from a battery, to the point marked "FG minus" in  YOUR circut? Will it oscillate? Will it make a negative average power product? What will the CVR trace look like?

So you are talking about things that anyone anywhere can do and check for themselves.... and see that you are once again WRONG in your ridiculous assertions and claims. And all of this is a result of your own  insurmountable willfull  ignorance.

I am ready to demonstrate the truth of what I say NOW or at ANY TIME ANY WHERE.
I'll send my Tar Baby off to STEFAN HARTMANN whenever he lets me know that YOUR DEVICE is ALSO on the way to him for side-by-side comparisons. If you had any confidence you'd jump on this because it's an ideal way for you to finally PROVE ME WRONG. What a feather in your cap that would be.  Just think.... somebody YOU trust and respect would have both our systems and can do WHATEVER THEY LIKE, as long as they do it to both systems and report the results, trying as hard as they can to PROVE ME WRONG, with absolutely no interference or theorising from me.

But deep down you know what will happen, so you will never agree to a test where you don't have control of what's done and what's analysed.

Losing control?  You are grasping at straws because "your" project has been co-opted by people who know what they are doing and talking about. Just like has happened many times before, like for instance with FuzzyTomCat and Harvey.
I am still simply pointing out some more of your many errors, and I'm waiting for you to explain and retract your bogus claims and monumental errors... in a rhetorical sort of way, because I know that you will never do it.

Like this one, which you make over and over and still don't even understand.

Correctly it is one Joule per second - but since 1 watt = 1 Joule and since 1 Joule = 1 watt per second - then AS I'VE EXPLAINED EARLIER - the terms are INTERCHANGEABLE. Which is ALSO explained in WIKI.

Now... either report some current experimental results, correct some of your prior egregious errors like that one,  or just go out and play on the highway.

REMEMBER: Any time, anywhere, by anybody. TAR BABY IS READY. Put up.... or STFU.

[TinselKoala]

Guys,

In terms of simplifying the circuit, I did this in a step-by-step fashion a year ago to date (2011-04-25) here (the discussion is also interesting, and recommended):

http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg283067/#msg283067

See also the post above this linked one (Reply #892).

One other that is interesting:
http://www.overunity.com/10407/rosemary-ainslie-circuit-demonstration-on-saturday-march-12th-2011/msg283544/#msg283544

Nice..... I like it. There has been a huge amount of progress in the year, hasn't there.  -)

BUT... it doesn't matter much if WE understand and appreciate your work and analysis.

How are you ever going to convince Ainslie that that circuit in any way resembles hers? Eventhough a year ago she was "in tears" over it... now she repudiates it, of course.

Why.... it doesn't even have clipleads, so how could it possibly even _relate_ to the NERD circuit? There just aren't even enough wires, just those funny turnip roots. And everybody knows, Poynty Poynt, that turnip roots don't oscillate. Therefore TK is proven to be a lowly maintenance technician and is shorter than Hitler (although a lot more handsome), who somehow manages to get paid for repairing broken digital oscilloscopes even though he doesn't even know how to turn one on.

(Just for the record, it is the "lowly" maintenance technician with opposable thumbs and a rack full of tools and equipment that KEEPS OUR SOCIETY RUNNING, since so many people nowadays have neither the knowledge, the skill, or the motivation to do it themselves-- nor is the equipment needed to keep society running typically owned by individuals, due to its complexity and cost. Therefore, highly skilled, trained, educated and intelligent people all over the world work for peanut wages so that rich people in their gated communities can listen to stereos and type on computers without getting their hands dirty at all.

And... after all that... I am not a maintenance technician (although I would be proud to be one), except when I'm tinkering with my antique classic collection of rare old test equipment with historical significance. The Hewlett-Packard HP180, for example, is ex-Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, where it was used for many years, daily, helping to develop America's nuclear deterrent forces. And right now I am also up to my elbows in a Tektronix RM503 that came from NASA Ames, their Blade Dynamics Laboratory, where it was also for many years in daily use analysing aerodynamic flutter and other fluid flow dynamics by NASA scientists and technicians who are responsible for America's amazing successes in space exploration.)

[TinselKoala]

@.99:
Your diagram appears to show a DC current path that puts both the main battery and the bias battery in series and provides a current pathway that does NOT flow through the CVR at all when the mosfet is conducting.

Am I right about this? (just sharpening the point)


I'm also wondering about something else, which also jives with my experience on the live circuit. If the FG has its own equivalent 50R in the output, why is the series 2R also required at the circuit itself? I think I understand why it's needed if the bias supply is a battery, but I don't think I  understand why it needs to be there if the FG or other source with a moderate impedance like the 555 timer circuit is used.

[TinselKoala]

Reading that old discussion is a remarkable blast from the past. The most amazing thing is that .99 is actually able to lead Ainslie in a Socratic chain of reasoning for a little while... until she bumps up against the reductio ad absurdum that he is presenting, then the claws and fangs and her superior knowledge come out.

The transposed S and G on her diagram, the "your waveforms still aren't correct" bit, the mystery of component capacitance -- LOSE THE CAP --- the zener diode thing ....hilarious.
It's like Mylow--- remember? Him measuring his magnets with a micrometer caliper that he doesn't even know how to hold properly, and then sticking them in place with hot glue without using a jig, and then claiming that your motor isn't a replication because YOUR magnets are a millimeter out of position. And yet even Mylow made more sense than Ainslie does.

Your waveforms are Wrong, Poynty Poynt. They need to be on a _white_ background to be valid. And my academics have assured me that I am correct about that much, at least.