Testing the TK Tar Baby

[MileHigh]

PW:

Great explanation and I think that it will ultimately prove to be the true explanation.

Let me give a simple example to illustrate this to make the wheels in people's heads start to turn.  As we know on the free energy forums the majority of people that work with coils don't understand all of their dynamics.  Coils are "mysterious" and for many people there is just an emptiness in their understanding and they work around it, they even pretend that it isn't even there.  This "work-around" can go on for years.

Rosemary's work-around is to make reference to the "inductive laws."  That's as far as she can go, beyond that it's emptiness.  Some other people make references to "time compressed potential."  Another perennial is that coils somehow tap into "Unknown and unquantifiable 'energy from the environment'"  The list is quite long.

So here is the simple example:

You have a set of batteries with long wires going to a simple on-off switch in series with a 10-ohm load resistor.  So it's somewhat similar to a simplified NERD setup but using a physical switch instead of a MOSFET.  We know that the long wires between the batteries and the switch and the load resistor possess some inductance.

Imagine you are monitoring the voltage between the ground connection of the load resistor and the switch with your scope.  For the positive connection, you are monitoring the "battery side" of the switch.

When you close the switch to power the load, for a fraction of a second you will see what appears to be the "battery voltage" drop to zero on your scope display.

When you open the switch to disconnect the load, for a fraction of a second you will see what appears to be the "battery voltage" spike up very high.

Those are the kinds of inductive effects that are the likely cause of the negative average power measurement in the NERD circuit and in TK's replication of the NERD circuit, the Tar Baby.

It's a fake-out compliments of Mother Nature.

MileHigh

[TinselKoala]

TK,

What's this all about.  Is this your original 555 and battery or did you construct an inverting charge pump for the supply?

PW

The latter. NO extra battery is needed.

[picowatt]

The latter. NO extra battery is needed.

TK,

I figured.  Have you measured the quiescent current on that puppy yet?  Or better still, the difference between the current to the inverter and the bias current.  Are you going to heat sink the inverter as well?

Nice job.

PW

[TinselKoala]

@PW: I agree that skew is not the cause of the negative mean power. At first I thought it might be but with the relatively low inductances and the low frequency the effect would be negligible. The reason is as you say: the waveshape, because of the inductive effects, is such that a negative product results from the multiplication when averaged over a full cycle. But "proper" measurements of battery voltage will not show the waveshape that will result in this negative product.

Be that as it may, the negative product is robust enough to be easily repeatable, and I've even gone a step further and looked at the integration of the instantaneous multiplication... and it produces a negative-going energy integral as well.

Where most of us would see this as an artefact and try to eliminate it as being illusory and hiding the true power, some others would naively read the numbers out of the boxes and shout halleluja, the "theory" is confirmed.... when in fact it is evidence of nothing more than improper power measurement technique.
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Meanwhile I have repeated the negative mean power measurements using a digital oscilloscope with math capability, using both a bias battery and the potentiometer/50R hookup, _and_ the 555-based voltage inverter that allows running the bias from the lowest unit of the Main Battery pack. The schematic for the inverter is posted above.

Fig.1: The setup, using the 9v battery as bias source through the potentiometer and the 50R series resistance.

Fig.2: The traces with the 9v battery. Top trace (Yellow) is across the CVR.  Purple trace is the battery voltage taken at the positive rail on the motherboard. RED trace is the Math trace, showing a straight multiplication (no constants correcting for inductive reactance) of the Yellow and the Purple traces. Note the negative mean product. Green is the mosfet common drains and blue is the gate drive signal.

Fig. 3: Close up of the mean power reading on the Math trace.

Fig. 4: Using NO external bias battery this time. The 555 voltage inverter is used with the potentiometer but NOT the 50R series resistance. Here I show the integration of the multiplication of the CVR and Battery traces. Again, no constants are inserted in the integral. NOTE WELL:  the energy integral _decreases_ from left to right. This confirms the negative power _reading_ and also is evidence that could be interpreted to indicate very robust "overunity" performance ... since the energy through the system apparently _decreases_ over time rather than increasing as a power "consumer" should indicate.

Fig. 5: The 555 inverting charge pump hookup in place of the 9v battery.

[TinselKoala]

TK,

I figured.  Have you measured the quiescent current on that puppy yet?

no,not yet

Or better still, the difference between the current to the inverter and the bias current.  Are you going to heat sink the inverter as well?

Yes, heatsink is on the 555. I have had one thermal failure but I consider 555s to be consumables anyway and I have dozens of them laying around.

Nice job.

PW

Thanks.. .I thought I had mentioned this before though. But it probably got buried under a bunch of Ains-lies.