Testing the TK Tar Baby

[TinselKoala]

Uh-oh. Looks like Stella Nokia's little comment on the Ainslie daft manuscript passed thru the JNP moderation without difficulty.

[fuzzytomcat]

Perhaps PW isn't being explicit enough about the dangers of liquid electrolyte, not sealed, LA batteries.

1)They are full of sulfuric acid. Their cases are vented to avoid internal pressure buildup. This means that you will have sulfuric acid vapor, even in small quantities, whenever you have these batteries.
2) Sulfuric acid vapor, and oscilloscope controls, and other controls, like switch contacts, potentiometers, and so on do not belong in the same air. The controls WILL be corroded by the vapor even if it is in dilute concentrations. In the presence of water vapor as well... it gets even worse.
3) Liquid electrolyte LA batteries give off HYDROGEN GAS when they are being charged. Pull off a cap and look into the electrolyte when charging. See those little bubbles?
4) Hydrogen gas in air is extremely EXPLOSIVE. Hooking up capacitors to batteries creates SPARKS if you do not know how to do it properly. SPARKS and an EXPLOSIVE GAS MIXTURE.... will void your warranty.

Hi TK,

Your 100% correct in your four part dangers of liquid electrolyte batteries.

In the image shown on any replication attempt of the COP>17 device, the batteries were only connected under testing and totally disconnected when "NOT" under use, all charging was done in my disconnected garage because of vapors. I also have like you do a "LARGE" handy fire extinguisher for those moments we never want to have, but happen time to time .... safety glasses or a face shield is also a nice addition.

I think that somewhere if a alternative energy device using batteries is used that a "end use" consideration should be engineered into said device. For a example the COP>17 device where are the inductive heating resistor coil going to be installed and the battery supply for it. The two items (resistor and batteries) can be or will be some distance apart, then those wire sizes must be enlarged to accommodate it for the device to operate the exact same way as the "bench" testing and evaluation. This would also include other items to be under consideration to receive any Underwriters Listing (UL) for a actual legal permanent installation in a home or business for insurance purposes.

Now, I agree with you for anything Rosemary uses on the retesting of her unit(s) or device(s) that they should be the same thing as any original testing and evaluation done, to "support" her prior claim(s) ... like those exact "fully" charged 12 volt "silver calcium" batteries that's been used for all the COP>INFINITY testing and evaluation done by the RAT team and the in hiding NERD collaborators.

Fuzzy

[picowatt]

The capacitor she "selected", in contradiction to .99's clear and repeated advice and explanation, is specified thusly:

150 Rand is almost 19 dollars US. Does this sound like a small, low ESR electrolytic to you?

From the strange MicroFarad rating, it sounds like a big shiny metal can oil filled AC cap as one would buy at an electrical supply house (not electronic supply house), such as those types of caps used in motors as AC run or as 2 to 3 phase converter caps.

Those are the only types that I have seen with similarly odd uF ratings.  The 330-275VAC rating also supports that it is that type of cap (large, metal can, oil filled).


It sure isn't the cap .99 specified...  or that is needed...

Won't hurt to try it, but they were not designed for use with high frequencies and may have a high ESR at her osc freq.

[polln8r]

Tania Kosell (friend of Stella) says, "Hi."

[Magluvin]

From the strange MicroFarad rating, it sounds like a big shiny metal can oil filled AC cap as one would buy at an electrical supply house (not electronic supply house).

Such as those types of caps used in motors as AC run or 2 to 3 phase converter caps.  Those are the only types that I have seen with similarly odd uF ratings.  The 330-275VAC rating also supports that it is that type of cap (large, metal can, oil filled).


It sure isn't the cap .99 specified...  or that is needed...

I have this friend, that is always in dire need of ideas for how to do something. But every time I do help, he will do nearly the opposite of what I told him. He seems to specifically will do the reverse of something that I 'specifically' point out that it needs to be done a certain way or else. AND, will act pissed at me because things didnt work the way I said.. Duh. 

Rose is doing the same thing.  Its crazy that we would have to pull a George Costanza and portray the opposite of what we try to convey, in order to get her to understand something, let alone do something.

Mags