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[tony3232]

yo. this is my first post ever, i hope i dont get banned for one post, but if i am so be it. just 1 quick question (because i have not read all of this thread, or at least what i see as an argument. i may come off as ignorant, because i am.), why doesn't who ever is talking about a zinc air battery that runs forever just make one? don't get me wrong, i love theories, both brilliant and crackpot ones, but i tire of seeing only theories and figures, but no product. forgive me if i am out of place, and pleeeez don't ban me, i've read some stories, and i hope they aren't true! so now.... 

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen well if you bothered to seriously hunt for karpen-crapster info you wouldve seen

Someone doing your homework for you?  Sadly I'm not interested in attempting to make your point for you.

why dont these analysis documents appear in textbooks

So you're now saying that textbooks DON'T predict your batteries that run forever.  Which is it? 

i dont want to post any of them here as i dont want people jumping ahead of my own research

Dude, like every other person on OU it's almost assured that you have nothing worth selling.   Anyway your point was about textbooks.

l give you this table on the properties of platinum: nature.berkeley.edu/classes/eps2/wisc/pt.html

You seem intent on not making your point.  Does this say that a battery can last forever?  If so, you should be able to create a FORMAL logical argument that gets you to that point.

I await you failing to do so.

permanently stable for uhm,eternity.

Assuming some things that you are not qualified to assume.

[profitis]

@sarkeizen qualified? Lol! It is you who are assuming sir.you assume that the battery internals change over time.you assume that the internals will change over the course of the next 30million years.you assume that the platinum nuggets are not already in their minimum gibbsonian free energy state.you assume that they will magicaly somehow alter,change,become different than what they are now.not me. i declare with totalitarian certainty that they abso-f@&%ing-lutely will not change one iota over the next 30million years.i declare with totalitarian certainty that their physical micro-crystalline sufaces alter instantly as soon as you drop them in the glass and then stay that way.i declare that their surface work function differences are the same 30million years from now as what they are today.its on you to prove otherwise because anybody can build it anytime and physicaly see that i am correct.ie.you have to prove that it does not physicaly run for 30million years,at ambient temperature, in order to uphold the sacred 2nd law thermodynamics.

[sarkeizen]

@sarkeizen qualified? Lol! It is you who are assuming sir.you assume that the battery internals change over time.

Not really.  The only thing that seems a reasonable assumption at this point is that textbooks don't really predict your eternal battery.  At least you have provided pretty close to zero evidence for that.

you assume that the internals will change over the course of the next 30million years.

No, I'm saying that you have assumed that they don't.  Again, logic is one of those things that is useful to have as evidenced by your pretty severe lack of it.

i declare with totalitarian certainty that they abso-f@&%ing-lutely will not change one iota over the next 30million years

Well we've visited the fact that you're all about totalitarianism of a sort.  No conversation can be had that you don't recognize.  No textbook cites can be given, to anyone ever for any reason even if the person is arguing that textbooks say something.  30 Million years isn't forever and you can assert all you want, beat people with truncheons who question you or whatever your particular turn on is but...

...that still doesn't make you correct or qualified to make the assertion. 

So about that textbook cite...

[profitis]

@sarkeizen  not my totalitarianism, natures totalitarianism,but it will become my totalitarianism if you dont get off your exceedingly lazy ass and build it or have somebody build it for you and put it in your pet,s, girlfriend,s or tricycle,s tracking device or something and test it.at least these articles wont just vannish ever again.  the internals dont change @sarkeizen,they dont change,they refuse to change,they simply dont change man.other batteries change with time,not this one.its got 2 entropy states,same as the proposed quenco.