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[sarkeizen]

official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.you must defend the oxygen concentration cell from being branded a perpetual motion device,and fast before somebody builds one.

Sorry, your babble means nothing to me.  Explain it in terms relevant to SPECIFIC things that I've been talking about.

Such as your postulating:  "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to construct a battery which will run an ipod-like device eternally"

[profitis]

official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.you must defend the oxygen concentration cell from being branded a perpetual motion device,fast.period.(btw,why do you avoid using the words oxygen concentration cell?hell you,ve never said those words once before,anybody else notice this?step into my domain for once @sarkeizen,electrochemistry)

[sarkeizen]

official textbook side of the line @sarkeizen.

No idea what that means.  Again.  You have postulated something about batteries that will last eternally.  This is what I take issue with.  If you want to discuss something else, well you are setting up a pretty poor precedent aren't you? Why would anyone, anywhere ever want to talk to you about anything when you won't answer a simple question or admit when you are mistaken?

Either support your statement or say you can't/won't.  In which case I'd entertain the idea of talking about something else.

step into my domain for once

"stupid" isn't really a domain I'm interested in knowing more about.

avoid using the words oxygen concentration cell

I'm not avoiding using the words "oxygen concentration cell".  You've just been such an incredibly enormous obstructionist hyper-asshole that the conversation (if you can call it that) never gets close to needing the  particular technology you consider to be instrumental in creating an eternal battery.

Until you can actually respond non-stupidly (intelligently is probably a stretch) then there will just be another hundred posts of this.  Your call.

[Philip Hardcastle]

A collectible for $5000? 

Hi Qwert,



What price would you sell the first proved 2nd law violators for?


They come in a presentation box with a test certificate and a certificate certifying they are a limited edition.


My guess is that they will have a resale price considerably higher.


So why is not $5,000 reasonable?


After all they are 10W, not 10uW, so if the sebby experiment costs $10 to produce 10uW then the price of a 10W would be $10,000,000 if you had to make it with off the shelf vacuum tubes.


In any case I expect that professionals and universities will be the main buyers as it would cost them at least $5,000 to make their own.


Regards
Phil

[orbut 3000]

@PJH: I  think the price is absolutely OK. It's a once in a lifetime chance. A little advertising in the relevant publications(WND, DailyPaul, Infowars) could certainly help. Maybe an ad like this: