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Started by Philip Hardcastle, April 04, 2012, 05:00:30 AM

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sarkeizen

Quote from: meShall I dig up the quotes (probably the answer is "yes" here since you're just trying to delay this. )
Quote from: profitis on April 16, 2015, 08:27:16 AM
On one condition
Sorry.  No conditions.  So I guess it's off to find the places where you claim that what you provided was an argument, that it was formal and compelling. :)
Quotehave to promote damage to the excessively objective scientific
Again, I don't speak troll.  So that's just gibberish to me. If you want to try again use standard English usage. :)
Quote from: meSo you can, given sufficient materials create something that sorts strings of bits of whatever size you want.
QuoteYes
Well then you have been proven wrong. :)  Clearly there this would mean that sorting would have a large delay too large for a device using quantum effects.  Philips device according to him requires quantum effects.  Hence his device can't work.  QED.
Quote from: meI told you.  I don't speak troll. :)
QuoteLet's wait and see :)
You just admitted that YOU speak troll.  Awesome. :)

profitis

Sarkeizen:'Sorry.  No conditions.  So I guess it's off to find the places where you claim that what you provided was an argument, that it was formal and compelling. :)'

This does absolute zero damage to my statement.viewers are getting impatient with your dancing,around it.


Sarkeizen:'Again, I don't speak troll.'

Lies

Sarkeizen:' use standard English usage. :)'

Damage my statement from that thread or accept defeat

Sarkeizen:'
Well then you have been proven wrong. :)  Clearly there this would mean that sorting would have a large delay too large for a device using quantum effects.  Philips device according to him requires quantum effects.  Hence his device can't work.  QED.'

? english please


Sarkeizen:'You just admitted that YOU speak troll.  Awesome. :)'

No I didnt

sarkeizen

Quote from: meSorry.  No conditions.  So I guess it's off to find the places where you claim that what you provided was an argument, that it was formal and compelling.
Quote from: profitis on April 16, 2015, 09:46:49 AM
This does absolute zero damage to my statement.
Then you shouldn't have a problem agreeing with it.

Here's the first one.
Quote from: profitis on March 29, 2015, 10:58:50 PM
Sarkeizen:'Are you saying that your argument is compelling'

Yes
Do you agree that you are saying in the above quote that your argument is compelling here. 

Quote from: meWell then you have been proven wrong. :)  Clearly there this would mean that sorting would have a large delay too large for a device using quantum effects.  Philips device according to him requires quantum effects.  Hence his device can't work.  QED.
Quoteenglish please
Algorithms work in a particular complexity class - they take a certain amount of time (or an average amount of time) to complete given an input.  Quantum algorithms - algorithms that use quantum effects are no exception.  Because of how slow this machine sorts it can't be using a quantum algorithm.  However that would be required if you're using a quantum effect .  Which is what Philip claims his machine is.  Hence his machine - the thing he described - doesn't work. :)

profitis

Sarkeizen:'Then you shouldn't have a problem agreeing with it.'

Wrong.I have a big issue with it if it does no damage to the statement.the statement exists in and for standard science.it must be dealt with accordingly.

-Sarkeizen:'
Do you agree that you are saying your argument is compelling here.' 

Whatever it is it isn't damaged.

Sarkeizen:'Algorithms work in a particular complexity class - they take a certain amount of time (or an average amount of time) to complete given an input.  Quantum algorithms - algorithms that use quantum effects are no exception.  Because of how slow this machine sorts it can't be using a quantum algorithm.  However that would be required if you're using a quantum effect .  Which is what Philip claims his machine is.  Hence his machine - the thing he described - doesn't work. :)'

The device's demon sorts instantaneously.the quantum sorting is instantaneous hot/cold.small numbers sorting or large numbers sorting are all instantaneously divided into hot/cold at the demon surface.nothing slow about this

sarkeizen

Quote from: profitis on April 16, 2015, 12:11:07 PM
Wrong.I have a big issue with it if it does no damage to the statement.the statement exists in and for standard science.it must be dealt with accordingly.
Again.  I have no idea what trolls mean when they say this. :)  You might as well just mash the keyboard.  None of what you typed there really qualifies as English. :)
Quote from: me
Do you agree that you are saying your argument is compelling here.' 
Quote
Whatever it is it isn't damaged.
So is that a "yes" or "no" or are you saying that YOU don't even know what YOU were saying when you said: "yes"?  If you can't be counted on to know what you're talking about then there really isn't any point in having a discussion with you.  Is there? :)
QuoteThe device's demon sorts instantaneously.the quantum sorting is instantaneous hot/cold.
Thanks for admitting that. You lose. :) :) :) :) :) :)

See I wasn't telling the truth there.  It's actually the opposite.  If it happens instantaneously then it isn't using a quantum effect, in fact anything better than O(n^1/2) can not be using a quantum effect to compute.  That's the KNOWN PROVEN upper bound for quantum speed up in algorithms.   The name of the theorem is BBBV and I've posted a link to the paper way back in this thread.  You can go read it. :)  Hence it's somewhere between terribly unlikely to impossible that Philip's device works since it's necessary for it to use quantum effects.

Considering that 80% of the words that you post to me are you trying to AVOID actually making your position clear.  What I call Used Car Salesman tactics.  I was pretty sure that I could get you to take the opposite position simply because you are pretty much making up what you say as you go along.  Which is probably why you can't actually take on a position that isn't just nonsense speech.  Push one way...you push back the other and now you've landed on your ass.