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Sarkeizen:'doesn't this mean your argument is dead? '

Not while I'm winning the argument no.YOU said an  instantaneous quantum-sorter is impossible.the PRISM meets all criteria that YOU gave for an instantaneous quantum-sorter.if a prism can sort INSTANTANEOUSLY and QUANTUMLY then why can't mr hardcastle's machine do same.you did not do anything but dodge this criticaly important point not so

[sarkeizen]

doesn't this mean your argument is dead

YOU said an  instantaneous quantum-sorter is impossible.'

Not really.  You said it sorted JUST LIKE A COMPUTER.  So if you lied to me, or didn't know what you were talking about.  Is that my fault?   After that I even specified: "So you can, given sufficient materials create something that sorts strings of bits of whatever size you want." and you said yes and that it doesn't matter how large the input data set it still sorts instantaneously.  But when I mention a prism sorting the words from a play you say:

Nonono...

So again I don't see how a prism is relevant.  You said right there in that quote that it can't sort the words from a play and you said earlier that the quenco can sort something of "whatever size you want" and you say a prism can't.

Clearly these are not the same thing.  If you say they are then please answer the question how you encode the words from a play into light to be sorted by the prism and how you read the result.

[lumen]

This is the problem with talking with people who's education is asymptotically close to zero.  I guess we do this the hard way.

So even if I have a PRNG which is guaranteed to go through ALL POSSIBLE PERMUTATIONS.  We are not going to see even ONE instance of the sorting behavior?  That's what you contend?

Yes, lets do it the hard way!

Suppose we have two computers exactly the same running the same random generation program starting at the exact moment ....... and now you see that the random results are indeed not random.

Two thermal noise devices will always return a different result based on bit count chance unlike the two computers that will produce the same result because they cannot produce true random.

[profitis]

Sarkeizen'So again I don't see how a prism is relevant.'

if a prism can sort INFORMATION INSTANTANEOUSLY AND QUANTUMLY without infringing your bbbv then  so can a quenco do same.that is its important relevance mr sarkeizen.

[sarkeizen]

Yes, lets do it the hard way!

You didn't answer my question.  Will an simulation which uses a PRNG which is guaranteed to go through every permutation at some point model this sorting behavior?

While you're thinking about that let's get back to you masturbating over thermal noise RNGs.

Two thermal noise devices will always return a different result

What you want to say is that given a sufficient number of trials they will return the same result once in the total number of permutations between the two RNGs.  i.e. If you have a eight bit RNGs you will get the same result 1 in 65536 times.

That's assuming no bias and most thermal RNGs do have a little bias.