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[Philip Hardcastle]

Dear Steven,


thanks for the contact.


The need for a reputable University to do the $10 experiment is perhaps uncertain except to say that any replication of a violation of the Kelvin interpretation serves to remove the barrier of the status quo which is paralysing energy physics.


The experiment has been done now by a few people but not by a known University.The need for the scientific method to be applied goes without saying for there to be an explosion of interest, but any University doing this experiment will find the response will be almost venomous.


That being said the first thing is to do is to qualify the term $10, the parts are indeed cheap but the time spent and equipment needed to be considered bullet proof are not trivial. However to obviate the need for temperature sensors that are accurate enough to satisfy skeptics I have employed a method of encasing the device (the Radio Tube) in a block of Aluminum (or even better copper or Silver) surrounded by an insulating layer and then inside another block of metal, simple thermal modelling then shows that it is impossible to have a delta T across the device exceeding 0.01K for a easily measured 10K delta T on the outside container (measured by thermocouples in quadrants), the thermocouples used are of course group calibrated.


Having removed delta T across the device it is then necessary to eliminate the other possible sources as have been suggested.

I will deal with them here.


Some have claimed radioactivity of the Tube, given a measured current of say 4uA and a mass of material on the Cathode reasonably calculated at less than 0.1gm we clearly have about 0.001Mole of the relevant material, the occurrence of radioactive isotopes is very small (less than 0.0001%), so that give a total possible radioactive source of 0.00000001Mole, and given a radioactivity half life for the possible isotopes of many years (otherwise the 30 year old valves radioactive material would have decayed to near Zero) we can use a sensible max of 10,000 beta emission per second or say a femtoamp. As the current is uA's then fA's is totally insignificant. In any case if it were radioactive we would not need to heat the tube to see that current.


RF, if the device under test is a diode with low barrier potential then RF could be rectified if it is induced by the wires connecting the DUT to the external load. Obviously the use of shielding would attenuate, so the simplest mode of elimination is to run the DUT unshielded and then rigorously shielded. Further we can add capacitors to short RF so seeing a reduction in the measured current if it is simply rectified RF. Of course other instruments cam be applied to detect such RF as is present. We of course need to run the experiment with a (temporary) shorting link across the DUT to prove the effect is not Seebeck or thermocouple. These are silly as we use identical wires but critics say many things. Of course we need to ensure that the termination at the load are thermally of the same temp so that we cannot be accused of inducing and instrument error, and of course equal at the hot end so no claim of a delta T across the DUT.


I guess I can say a lot more but at the end of the day a team at a respected University should come up with its own protocols.


All I can say is that it works and Kelvin is wrong.Any University having the guts to do this will be part of an exciting part of history, and will be by my reckoning the 5th to do so, but the first to do so with unimpeachable independence.


Regards


Phil

[MileHigh]

Philp:

I don't understand your train of thought here.  Since you will be releasing your actual device in less than two weeks, there is no need for any sophisticated measuring equipment or sophisticated thermal setups.  I am assuming that Dr. Jones wants to test your actual released device, and not attempt to replicate the test tube experiment.

If I recall you stated that your released device will output on the order of watts of power, enough to power an iPad.  So there are any number of trivial experiments that could be done to confirm your claims.  For example, you could embed the device in epoxy such that water cannot infiltrate.  Then run the two wires to a resistor of the correct value to dissipate several watts of power and monitor the heat produced by the resistor and monitor the DC voltage (approximately 5 volts) with an ordinary multimeter.  Put the Quentron device embedded in epoxy into a small aquarium that is thermally isolated from the table top with styrofoam legs.

So the setup is a small aquarium filed with water with the Quentron device in the water.  The two wires lead out of the aquarium and connect to a resistor nearby.  You monitor the voltage across the resistor and thus the power dissipated by the resistor.  You monitor the temperature of the water in the aquarium.  What you should see is continuous DC power dissipated in the resistor while the temperature of the water in the aquarium drops over time.

So, in summary, it would be great for Dr. Jones to test your device but since the power output is on the order of watts, not microwatts, no sophisticated apparatus or measurement devices are needed to confirm that the device works as claimed.

MileHigh

[JouleSeeker]

  Thanks for the reply and information, Philip.

Two of the universities I mentioned above have (I believe) the equipment needed to do the experiment justice, based on what you have described.  But only one of them likely has the "guts" to challenge status-quo physics.  This is the group at the Univ of Missouri (UM).  They are already raising eyebrows by doing "cold fusion" research...  and by inviting me to speak there last month.  This is the ONLY university in the US and Canada that I know of that would have both the expertise and the guts to do the experiment.

They have excellent calorimeters and calorimetry skills, which should prove useful.  One would need an understanding regarding the "intellectual rights", and I suggest that "renting" the equipment would be advisable to avoid problems down the road, with you and me as "visiting scientists".  The team there would assist the visiting scientists, the latter being in charge.

I have a good friend (going back over 20 years) there who I believe would be willing to help.  I would need (privately I think) a little more information about just what you have in mind for the test, and what results one might expect from a successful test, so that I can begin serious discussion with him and the team there.  If you agree, of course!
Snail mail if you wish:  Dr Jones, PO box 325, Spring City, UT 84662, or email is fine with me. If it is possible to use a high-sophistication existing calorimeter rather than building something from scratch, I believe that would save money and increase credibility of the experiment.

Where are you located?  I'm in Utah at present; have a son moving to Missouri (already a place there), and a daughter in the NE. Would you want to be involved in the experiment, present I mean? 

[e2matrix]

Hi Dr. Jones,  It's great to see you here and in communication now with Phil.   Sorry I don't login more often over at the OUR forum or I would have seen your message and replied sooner to you.   I believe Phil is now near Stanford University in California.   

I'll just state for Phil that having seen JouleSeekers (Dr. Jones) posts over the last year or so that I feel he is another very altruistic person with only the best of intentions for humanity and advancing alternative energy.  He has offered at his own expense some rewards to those who are advancing things in alternative energy as well as providing hundreds of solar funnel cookers to people in developing countries at his own expense.   

[TinselKoala]

Is this the Quenco we are talking about, the things that are supposed to be being manufactured right now at Stanford University in Palo Alto California?

Isn't it a little late for "university validation" since you are supposed to be doing a commercial rollout on... when was the latest postponed date? Nov 30?

And what's the matter with Stanford, anyway.... aren't they a major university, located right smack dab in the bleeding center of Silicon Valley, surrounded by all kinds of chip making plants and out-of-work physicists and EE types?




They are just questions, Leon.