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[Madebymonkeys]

If you want to give it away then you better have a patent on it or someone else will patent it and prevent you from giving it away.

Hmm. I don't know the full legalities but it 'should' be difficult to claim novelty (and a subsequent monopoly) on something which is fully documented (to the point where someone 'skilled in the art' could replicate) and in the public domain already?

Hey, just noticed the date....72hrs (ish) until the Quenco launch - I bet it will be postponed due to unspecified issues unrelated to Quenco again.

[ramset]

The little RED QuenCO

I suppose the Story should have had a few addendums?

Perhaps they came in and pestered the Hen for not being Timely with the
schedule of her work,    Mocking her a bit for the delays.

Yes ,That would be a good addition ....""look she said she would be done with the harvest by now .......... what a liar !!""""
Or       """OHHH look the stove needs wood ....How will she ever Hold that promise Now? [Snicker Giggle]"""

But all things considered it still ends the same....

Cept this ain't a fairy tail !
Thx
Chet

[hartiberlin]

Stefan,  I'm not sure who you are referring to by this post but if it's Phil I think you have him pegged completely wrong.  I'm not sure if it was posted here or in some of the email (not PM but email) messages I've had with him but he (and I do assume people are being honest unless proven otherwise) has said he is not out to get rich on this by any means.  He said he just wants to be able to retire to a small chicken ranch.  As I understand it most of the money from licensing will go into a foundation that will provide Quenco devices to those who really need it and can't afford it including many third world countries that have no power and no clean water due to lack of power.  Everything in my life experience (and training to hire quality people) tells me Phil is a very altruistic humanitarian that will do great things for the people of this planet if Quenco can succeed in navigating all the stumbling blocks placed along the path to success in getting this out to the world.   My only concern at this time is whether something this potentially Earth changing will be allowed to go fully forward.  In the long run I have no doubt it will be for the best of all but along the way many established businesses will likely take a big fall.  But new ones will spring up and I think a real revolution will take place in the way so many things are done.

Phil could at least post a  few pictures of his cells driving something like an LED...
If he wanted to come out with it he should by now have prototypes that run...

Regarding the patents, if you open source something like this, nobody else could patent it,....
but if some companies have the right lawyer force and enough money they can always change some few minor
details and patent it then... probably only depends on how much money you spent for the patent lawyers to come
up with a "solution" to "be liked" by the patent office...

Anyway, if this would be put up into open source at least the guys who want to replicate it could
use the exact "recipe" and use it without paying patent license fees...

Well although it is probably almost impossible to do nanometer structure layers for the common tinker man... ;=)

[Madebymonkeys]

Phil could at least post a  few pictures of his cells driving something like an LED...
If he wanted to come out with it he should by now have prototypes that run...

Totally agree.

Regarding the patents, if you open source something like this, nobody else could patent it,....
but if some companies have the right lawyer force and enough money they can always change some few minor
details and patent it then... probably only depends on how much money you spent for the patent lawyers to come
up with a "solution" to "be liked" by the patent office...

Very true, this would also be true even if it isn't open source. If there is money to be made then one man (or one foundation) won't hold all the cards, it simply won't be allowed.

If a license ever gets sold (money actually changing hands between companies) it will be for the purpose of gaining info and refining the process and improving it....at which point the license won't need a renewal, the company won't need to pay royalties, and the company can offer a better, cheaper product (potentially!). Basically patents can be worked around like you say!

Companies work around patents all the time, its a legitimate part of business.

Anyway, if this would be put up into open source at least the guys who want to replicate it could
use the exact "recipe" and use it without paying patent license fees...

And work together for the greater good

Well although it is probably almost impossible to do nanometer structure layers for the common tinker man... ;=)

And Stanford so it seems

Stick with fusion!

[Elisha]

There are many people who believe that giving free stuff is the solution to all problems, no, that's not the solution, because the problem was never a lack of things, the problem is always lack of proper education.

In my country Venezuela, given away everything you need, if you need to house the government gives it to you, if you need food the government gives it, up gives gasoline. The result is that people do not like working, prefer constantly asking the government for their needs, as well as those things are free they are not appreciated, everything quickly becomes corrupted, there is no maintenance. We want to invite you to come to my country to have it checked for yourself.

Everyone should have the opportunity  to have everything what they need, but not given, everything has to be paid with some kind of work, there is no reason for the rich can have car but not the poor, the two should be able to have both a car and be able to do something for society in exchange, which is what provides them the car and where it is used.

100% support the policies of Philip, even licending seems cheap, as any nanotechnology factory costs billions , ask how much it costs a factory intel.

Proper education, it solves all the problems of society is to learn: do not do to another what you do not like them to do to you. That means being sensitive to the needs of others, involves working for society, involves limiting what you expect to receive and increase what you give, and so on.