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[Madebymonkeys]

You asked for a debate on science, I thought, but apparently you want to hold the debate about why PJH should be believed if he fails to meet your imposed deadline.

I offered a debate as a suggestion to the forum. As I have posted, I'm no expert on science. You start us off.

I don't believe PJH but that's based on historical reasons. The debate would be about quenco. Not sure how you assumed I meant something different.

You have the floor to post here why his device will not work, so go ahead. Arguments that it will not work because he did not meet a timetable are just stupid and look like trolling. You asked for a debate on the subject, shame you do not do what you asked for.

It's an idea offered to the forum as I said - I ain't the expert and don't know (which any scientific accuracy) whether it will work or not.

Debating a timetable or deadline is stupid - that's not what I am doing, read the post.

[sarkeizen]

...why PJH should be believed if he fails to meet your imposed deadline.

The deadlines being discussed are not MBM's or mine they are set by Philip, the outcomes are set by Philip.  Out of curiosity how is it that you don't recognize that?  Illiteracy?

[doublehelix]

I offered a debate as a suggestion to the forum. As I have posted, I'm no expert on science. You start us off.

I don't believe PJH but that's based on historical reasons. The debate would be about quenco. Not sure how you assumed I meant something different.

It's an idea offered to the forum as I said - I ain't the expert and don't know (which any scientific accuracy) whether it will work or not.

Debating a timetable or deadline is stupid - that's not what I am doing, read the post.

MBM I thought you wanted to debate the issue, but you say you cannot so I understand why you might want the forum to do so.

If there are ppl here that wish to debate I am all for that but it is pointless to simply take a position in science based upon expectations, science is science and let's stick to facts if we are going to have a meaningful debate.

I see from the lots of stupid irritating posts that this forum is currently infested with a low life who you all rightfully ignore, I too will ignore that persons childish attempts to gain attention except to note such in this post.

[Mr Logic]

I only joined here to add to this post initially, and am certainly not one of those trolls or shills some of you imagine are around here. In fact they all ask perfectly reasonable questions, the ones essential in any claim and scientific enquiry, and without them how would we learn anything?

I have been investigating this sort of thing and related areas for over 20 years, and for the last 11 been helping out Nick Pope with his ufo work, and have plenty of references if people want to question it. The only advice I can offer Paul is with his marketing. Until now the patterns have been identical, and unfortunately I see no difference here having read half the material (there are only so many hours in a day) enough to catch on the main scenario from every one before. The rules for marketing free energy and similar is totally different from normal, as if you want to make a better car or washing machine you can easily know so years in advance, and roll out a programme of marketing as soon as you wish.

But with free energy, to be frank, it does not exist. The reason this forum exists is because until aliens and free energy did exist we would just discuss them, once they did the discussions would be unnecessary. The golden rule for free energy producers is to wait till the stuff us finished and then make their announcements. That's it. Tough on the patience and enthusiasm for them as we all like to share our activities when special, and also assume like other products you won't sell without publicity. But this is different, as what are they selling? Not a variation on an old product, or a new product using old methods, but something which doesn't exist. Of course if it does exist they would show us. Have they? No. Will they? How do I know. But as long as anyone spends a single sentence announcing a product in this area which they (not us, we only know what they tell us) know is not ready the cause will get nowhere.

So it's now February. If Mr Hardcastle delivers we all know (as we wouldn't be here if we didn't) it will be a precedent. Steorn do now have a heater on sale so maybe that is a missed opportunity to investigate, but the dribble of information they have provided and flowing from it isn't sufficient to know a thing, but as for the real thing for certain this is not just equivalent to winning James Randi's million dollar prize but finding the holy grail. But I've (or you've) never seen a single one of these dates materialise. Of course we haven't, or we wouldn't be here. Will this break the mould? We only have the past record to go on, so my question would be what's difference about this date compared to previous? There are still a couple of months to go, and if delayed further then I for one will have lost interest.

[sarkeizen]

but it is pointless to simply take a position in science based upon expectations

That's barely even English.  Interesting position.  According to you, Philip could say "yes, I will have this tomorrow with zero doubt" every day and fail every day for dozens of years and that would say nothing about his technology.  So you don't think all information which is confirming to a result has to contribute to the probability of said result?  Such beliefs make Baby Bayes cry.  I'd love to engage on this issue but it seems like most people here aren't exactly equipped.

science is science and let's stick to facts if we are going to have a meaningful debate.

You know a few points have been raised concerning information theory...you seem pretty mute about them.

I see from the lots of stupid irritating posts that this forum is currently infested with a low life who you all rightfully ignore, I too will ignore that persons childish attempts to gain attention except to note such in this post.

After post after post from lumen, Bruce_TPU and mrsean2k isn't it a little crazy to pretend they were ignoring me?  What makes you think this is about gaining attention?  I mean Bruce_TPU produced some of the most insubstantial posts in the last 100 on this thread and somehow you think I'm just about trying to get attention?  I mean just look at what he posted below...