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[sarkeizen]

I've also had private emails with the inventor.   Do you know he just came to America in the last couple months to work with some people at Stanford University and to make arrangements with some Silicon valley companies that are able to handle the high level of precision nano scale manufacturing needed to produce these?

Actually, if you actually read his posts his alleged work at Stanford started probably around October.  This makes for the whole "Philip, despite boasting about his business acumen.  Looks like he can't run a lemonade stand." theory.  See while not every research relationship is public knowledge the vast majority are.  If Philip is doing credible research and they're really so close.  Then the university PR machine has been really not doing their job.  Philip who has no problem blabbing here and there on his alleged breakthrough would be a pretty crappy manager if he didn't put a bug in the ear of the Uni PR department and get them to do their jobs.

What is far,far,far,far,far more likely is, if Philip is in Stanford he's just renting facilities.  Which just about anyone can do if they have the money.

If you look at the various gaps in deadlines across various forums there seems to be a pretty consistent two-three month gap for each major change (followed by a few small shifts).  If Philip is doing anything at all, he's probably trying to get something fabricated.   Designs get sent out and then non-functional parts get shipped back.  So what I'd guess we're seeing here, if anything is someone who keeps thinking they've found "the problem" with their design.  Then enters some kind of fabrication process.  Then receives the non-functional part and tries again.  Each time feeling more and more confident that the current design is correct.

  He just left a week or two ago to return home to Australia for the Holidays and will come back here again to move forward soon.

He said he had absolutely no doubt he would have viable product by the end of February.  Now that date is vapourware and some entirely new story about a "labour problem" appears on the website.

All this at his own expense and I don't personally see anything from the Inventor  that sounds like anything bad at all.

Why would that be a comfort to anyone with a brain?  Seriously "I don't see anything" is only useful if you could guarantee that the majority of problems you could spot.  In order to know that you would also have to know the "total number of possible problems".  Otherwise...so what?  Might as well say claim that your code works because a fisherman can't see a problem with it.

It sounds simply like any project being done the first time takes longer than you expect.

Philip has given at least five "for sure" deadlines in the last year alone.   Including one a year ago February which was almost exactly a year before his most current deadline for February.  His most recent deadline, included the statement that he had no doubt.   How many times can something "take longer than you expect" before you're a complete moron if you don't start realizing that your estimates are useless?

I managed a job once where someone constantly shifted their deadline.  Something that they costed out at four months took over a year - and it still wasn't done.  So I fired them brought on someone else.  Finished out in two months.

So I don't know why people are surprised when he misses a few dates on this.

Perhaps because you're something of an idiot?  Sure Philip, says he's creating something that nobody has done before but he also claims he's doing it with pretty well-developed technologies.

I know I have more patience than many people but some around here act like a little kid having a tantrum that he didn't get his ice cream fast enough.

Wow that was one of the most arrogant statements in this thread...and considering you're up against enormously arrogant people like Bruce_TPU and Philip and lumen that takes some skill.  Firstly we're not irritated at the delay.  We think the delay means something.  Learn to read.

I keep looking at all the new things that come along and prefer to encourage inventors rather than stifle them with a lot of negative statements

...but without any limits at all?  Should we continue encouraging every person all the time in every endevour?  Isn't that a bit stupid?

So I still have a hard time understanding why it is people want to bash him every way to Sunday unless they have some agenda.

So again we are at the "hard time understanding" - same problem.  It's a stupid way to look at a problem. 

I began to understand how the very nature of our current 'science' seems to make new invention or discovery of anything a nearly impossible nightmarish maze of BS intent on stifling anything that might challenge a major or even minor established 'theory'.

Example please.

So now I do all I can to encourage anything that has not been solidly proven false

So what is required for "solidly proven false"?

  I just had another theory spring to mind as to why some are so impatient

Except you're theory about impatience is wrong.

In a year Intel is making motherboards and CPU's with an internal power supply which never needs to be plugged into an outside energy source - NEVER.  It even provides power for the hard drives - a self running computer that never needs to be plugged in - not even for charging.   What will happen to Intel stock?     

So I'm pointing out some logical consequences of Philips actions (if you want to assume that Quenco works and Philip is not lying) and that means I have to be making some money off some invisible list of licencees?

As stated before I don't like labels like "skeptic" I just think that either you have to believe everything or not everything.  If the latter you need a set of criteria that is acted on consistently. Most people here who aren't seriously questioning Philip appear to have ridiculous gaps in this respect.

[lumen]

Yawn.  When you're cornered you change the subject.  How original.  Why not just admit you were wrong? or confused...I mean you seemed to have some problem with what I was typing but you couldn't - other than using strawmen - come up with an argument.  Now you seem to realize that I was right but you just want to be a jerk about it.  Way to seize the moral high-ground there.Why don't you read what I've already posted?  By the by "proof" isn't a very good term since it's rather hugely ambiguous.  I prefer talking about evidence.

I have seen you talk nothing of the scientific concepts, only about people and your hopes of their failure.
Like your recent post, nothing new, nothing intellectual, nothing mathematical, nothing scientific, only garbage talk of other people.

So when you say you "prefer to talk about evidence" then why don't you?

It's obvious you know nothing about Philips work and stick only to calling him a failure. Why don't you post some of your data on the tests you ran showing us all where he is wrong?

Lets see if you can write a post about Philip's work, and not about Philip.

It looks like all your contributions to this channel are just dribble about other people. Do you need to make others look bad for you to look better because you have no self esteem?

The principals involved in Philip's quenco are obviously so far above you that you can resort to only attacks to Philip and not his work theory.

So we all feel bad for you, but stamping your feet and pointing at others won't make anything better.

[sarkeizen]

I have seen you talk nothing of the scientific concepts,

That's nice but also irrelevant.  See the subject of the sentence you are responding to here was, in case you didn't notice "what *I* wrote".  But here you are talking about what you've seen of my writings.  Which simply isn't relevant.  Now if you read everything I've posted it would be different but you haven't or at least not with very much attention to detail.

Like your recent post, nothing new, nothing intellectual, nothing mathematical, nothing scientific, only garbage talk of other people.

You mean the post where I'm responding to someone who doesn't believe a post is a unit of measure?  IIRC the person who I was responding to has done very little other than make silly little backbiting comments.  Is that the kind of behavior you're against?  You have a funny way of showing it.

So when you say you "prefer to talk about evidence" then why don't you?

So when you read a sentence do you actually take a moment to understand it's context or do you just dive in and start thinking up silly ways to interpret it?  You've misunderstood my usage of "prefer" I'm saying that the term "proof" and "prove" which you are in love with are too vague for useful conversation.  You should talk about "evidence" instead of "proof".

It's obvious you know nothing about Philips work and stick only to calling him a failure.

If you read, and I get that perhaps that wasn't emphasized in your education as much as it should have for the purposes of conversing with me you'll see that I'm talking about Philip's failure to deliver on his promises.  He promised multiple times to have working product and each time he makes some excuse and moves the goalposts.  Regardless of how much you like virtually felating Philip this is a pretty normal usage of the term - failure.  Philip has failed to deliver 3-5 times this year (more depending on how you count).

Lets see if you can write a post about Philip's work, and not about Philip.

Sorry but the term "work", to me anyway implies something that Philip has actually *done*.   While it's certainly plausible that he has destroyed some tubes and it's possible he's spending some of his cash renting out space from Stanford (hope he got the Industry Affiliate rate).  There is little work to be shown.

That said  I have made a couple of observations about Philips assertions about his alleged invention, as well as corrected some of his wrong ideas (which he then added to his Quenco page) and have pointed out how Philip doesn't even make a useful argument against at least one of my points.

However sadly those statements weren't nearly as popular with people here as my talk about Philip's timelines.  Perhaps those arguments allowed people here to more easily gibber about "patience" or demand that Philip is owed by people who post here some adherence to some code of behavior yet he himself owes people here nothing.   I don't know but if your question is why are most of my posts about Philip and not about some of the other things I've discussed...well to see the answer to that you only need look in a mirror.

It looks like all your contributions to this channel are just dribble about other people. Do you need to make others look bad for you to look better because you have no self esteem?

It's worth pointing out how your post here is a good example of what you're complaining about.  For most of it you're just making empty criticism of me.  You've become that which you decry... congratulations?!

The principals involved in Philip's quenco are obviously so far above you that you can resort to only attacks to Philip and not his work theory.

From what I've seen what Philip has posted on the Quenco site is pretty much fluff.  He begs the important question about how 2LOT is violated.  You even agreed on that point if you recall. There's little to argue with there because there's little there. 

So we all feel bad for you, but stamping your feet and pointing at others won't make anything better.

No you're probably lying here.  You don't feel sorry for me, you're angry at me.  Your passive-aggressive tantrum is only slightly less obvious than renting out a billboard.

I've stated my points coolly and logically both about Philip's schedule misses and how that kind of impugns his character and his ability to manage.  I've also brought up a couple of technical issues.  If you didn't want to comment that's cool.  If you do now (perhaps because you've been so thoroughly trounced with the "a post isnt' a unit" nonsense) then you could just go back and read.  Then you can feign recollection and use it as a springboard or a disparaging comment: i.e. "Oh *that* I wouldn't really call that a *scientific* comment".   Perhaps that will salve your ego enough so you can stop acting like an infant.  e.g. Trying to find a poor way to interpret one of my posts so you can use some moldy computer joke.   You know, things like that.

[lumen]

Ok....whatever you say. No tech, your no value to me. I can find anyone off the street to talk about other people.
If you talk of concepts or ideas or theory, we talk to high class people.
If you talk of money and finances and investments, we talk to middle class.
People who talk about other people, are trying to pull themselves up or drag others down. (bottom feeders either way)

[Madebymonkeys]

Ok....whatever you say. No tech, your no value to me. I can find anyone off the street to talk about other people.
If you talk of concepts or ideas or theory, we talk to high class people.
If you talk of money and finances and investments, we talk to middle class.
People who talk about other people, are trying to pull themselves up or drag others down. (bottom feeders either way)

He has been asking questions throughout, it was only (really) you who decided to start an argument!
I gave up asking questions when it was clear that nobody could really answer them - sarkaizen has some good questions, why not 'save face' and respond with answers?!

I guess even if the major questions cannot be answered (and they haven't been) then at least you are keeping this thread at the top of the list!!