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[e2matrix]

@mrsean2k:
The first rhetorical question was to remind people that PHJ has made extravagant claims in the past, imposed deadlines and schedules that he has failed to meet. The intention was to try to dampen the unbridled enthusiasm and to predict... yes, predict... that he will once again not be able to meet his projected date. If I am wrong about this, we will know shortly, in good time to head for the hills, I hope.

A couple more of the questions address some of the usual suspects. If there ever has been any suppression of free energy inventors, AND IF Phil has even a remote chance of being right.... why isn't he being suppressed? Since he clearly isn't being suppressed, the point is that either he does not have what he claims and the Powers of Suppression know it.... or he does have what he claims and there is no conspiracy to suppress Free Energy inventors and probably never has been. Either conclusion is perfectly acceptable to me. Are there alternatives?

And the rest of the questions also set up a situation for contemplation. If, for example, Adam Trombley can have his liquid-metal contact system for homopolar generators sequestered by the Federal government because of national security reasons.... why should we expect the USA to act otherwise in the case of Quenco.... IF IT IS REAL? The immediate and necessary applications for Quenco are all military, and it doesn't really take much imagination to tell what they are. Probably five or ten pounds of the gear a modern soldier has hanging about himself consists of various batteries and power supplies for his advanced combat suite. Eliminate that load and replace it with grenades or ammo or more battlefield sensors....  His forward observation drones are limited in range and endurance because of their batteries. His radios and other telecoms, his computer... ditto.  A gallon of jet fuel for a forward-deployed gunship might cost several hundred dollars or even more, to get to where it is needed, and every turbine genset between here and there is competing for and raising the price of that fuel.....
The country with an army that possesses Quenco will have a real military advantage... and will seek to keep that advantage out of the hands of its geopolitical foes.
Yet we are asked to believe that Quenco will be powering cellphones and hearing aids.... when in reality, if it works, it will be powering missiles, sensor suites, surveillance drones, autonomous surface robots and other scary things. Any military that got wind of such a system would be absolutely crazy to let it out of its hands and would be committing suicide if it let it fall into the hands of its enemies.
You cannot even legally export a highspeed video camera from the USA without a lot of paperwork. Special alloy aluminum tubes... .forget about it. Trigatrons.... nope. But Quencos..... sure.

So the net result of my rhetorical questions is hopefully to question the credibility of Quenco as it has been presented. I am perfectly happy to entertain reasons why such a device would NOT be of extreme interest to militaries, and would be a "force multiplier" in any military actions..... or why the USA, a paranoid government if there ever was one, would let such a device, or its inventor, begin selling it around the world, made in USA or contracted to big chipmakers in China. Do you not think, for example, that the Chinese would be extremely interested in such a device and would covet it strongly? Are the North Korean spies in Silicon Valley even now plotting to break into Phil's lab, steal his prototype and notes, and kidnap him for brainwashing?
Since they are not... perhaps they are not interested, and why would that be?

The test that is being discussed is, like I said, a little late, and could much more easily be done on the spot in Palo Alto, than in Utah or elsewhere. But it's moot, isn't it? Why even discuss such a test when the finished product, working to produce usable power from ambient temperature with no lower-temperature sink necessary..... is going to be available in ten or eleven days? Won't the functioning of those devices be proof enough? I don't think you could even set up and perform that test with the necessary rigor in ten days, even if you did work thru Thanksgiving. So why is the test even being proposed? Is it possible that Quenco will need some kind of experimental validation using a pentode and a hot oven, _after_ this first production run is completed and released? Why?

I wasn't going to participate in this thread any more until after Nov 30...  but you asked... so I answered. Now let the insults begin.

I could punch a lot of holes in your assumptions and conclusions but I don't want to take the time to do all that.  You are a smart enough person to figure some of them out but I believe you are blinded by a prejudice against Phil or maybe it's just against anyone making claims in certain situations.  Have you never built any big projects?  I've designed and built some very large projects and I assumed I could finish within a certain time frame.  These were projects that took over a year to complete and while most people were surprised I was able to finish in the time I did I was repeatedly disappointed that I was taking longer than expected.   It's difficult to see every detail of a big project and all the little snags that can happen.  It is actually rare that I've built anything or repaired anything that didn't take longer than I expected with the exception of a couple fields where I seem to be exceptionally gifted.   I'm certainly not alone in that as I see people and projects missing deadlines all the time.  It's a big project Phil has and one he's been at for 14 years IIRC.  So I find no surprise at all that some expected deadlines aren't met.


Regarding your conclusion on suppression I see a number of other alternatives.  Times are changing.   That's one thanks to the Internet.   It could also be that the people watching do not yet know if Quenco is valid so they are waiting to see before making any big moves.  Or maybe they already think it only has potential in very low power apps.  And since Phil is not an American I'm not sure if that might play into preventing our government from seizing the concept but it may come into play.   It could also be that our government finally sees more need for alternative power.  There are so many other conclusions that it is simply not an either this or that as you have stated.  I'm fairly certain no interested parties are going to want to interrupt things until they see an actual working unit and details of a real world economically feasible plan to produce it.  I'm sure there are even better conclusions than what popped into my morning fog so far
I'm also fairly certain that if something this potentially big was seized it would have every available scientist in the world trying to duplicate it.   
If you look at most past inventions that have come into the 'free energy zone' it was not until after they were being openly shown that suppression began taking place. 
 

[Qwert]

Cool down, guys. November the 30th is near. At last we'll go to heaven, for sure.

[TinselKoala]

Sorry... I just can't resist.

@Cat: you are comparing Quenco to transistors. A more appropriate comparison, wrt its world-changing effect and its importance to science, would be to the atomic bomb or the discovery of radioactivity. It will be even more militarily significant, though, because atomic bombs are only good for one thing: deterrence and large scale destruction. Quenco will be immediately used on all battlefields on this poor Earth as soon as it is available to the combatants, if they are using anything more sophisticated than machetes and burning-tire necklaces.

Why don't you take a look at Boston Dynamics and some of the robots they build. They have one that's about the size of a toy truck that is semiautonomous and can jump over a 10-foot tall chainlink fence. Right now, its operational range and endurance is limited by its power supply. Power it with Quencos and its range and endurance will be unlimited, and it can carry a payload of, say, 500 grams of cheddar cheese to wherever you like, burrow into the ground and wait....and wait..... and wait...... for years if necessary until some hungry rodent comes by. Just for one example. I'm sure you can think of other interesting things besides cheddar cheese it could be carrying.

@neptune: I almost respect you too, even though I know a lot less about you than you do about me.   

@e2matrix: I have no problem with projects that take a long time for completion, longer than the participants anticipated or planned for. I have a problem with people who constantly miss deadlines and fail over and over to demonstrate what they claim. And I'm sure whoever contracted you for your project would have also felt the same way.
I learned a long time ago that the way to make customers happy is to promise them a _LATER_ completion date than you think you can manage. Then, when you finish in, say, two weeks, but you told them three, you call up and deliver one week ahead of schedule and everyone is happy, word gets around and you get more business. But if you promised one week, and you  finish the same project in two weeks.... your customer will think you are late and unreliable, word gets around and you lose business. Yet you finished the same project in the same amount of time in each case.

I'm also fairly certain that if something this potentially big was seized it would have every available scientist in the world trying to duplicate it.

Sort of like how they are trying to duplicate the atomic bomb, or Rossi's "Ecat"?
But I do agree with you: the seizure would give the Quenco so much "street cred" that it would push a lot of people over the edge and cause them to pay more attention. So the non-seizure is a clever use of reverse psychology by the Forces of Suppression to make sure nobody works on Quenco, by pretending it's insignificant. Right?
On the other hand, the nonseizure might indicate what I'm implying that it means: non-significance, non-importance to national security. And I believe that I've shown that a power source like Quenco claims to be... even "low power" enough to power a cellphone... will have truly great military significance, and that's not the only NS consequence or implication.

If you look at most past inventions that have come into the 'free energy zone' it was not until after they were being openly shown that suppression began taking place.

I'd like to know how you know that.  You are telling me that suppression only happens after the fact of public knowledge, because we know only of suppressions that happened after the fact. If suppression were effective before the fact of publication .... you and I would not know of it at all. So we have no way of knowing how many free energy projects and inventors have been suppressed before they made their discoveries public.... do we? Unless that is, you are the one doing the suppression.

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TIN

Of course Quenco power chips can be used as part of a weapon, I wonder how many people have been killed by electric cars already?

Probably less then have died in that time period of hunger or thirst.

Cheap Quenco power will be able to supply fresh water and food to everybody, even in deserts water can be condensed from the air.

Plastics can be made from air as well with enough energy to utilise, as well as fuel if it is ever needed.

It will take several years for Quenco to be the main producer of power for the world, in that time a foundation will be set up, hopefully not just to help end extreme poverty and lack of education but to use Quenco to make the world a nicer and friendlier place.

You never know for a small fee I might even manage to get you on the foundation.

Just think an engineer who thinks the second law of thermodynamics is sacrosanct becoming a Quenco convert and helping to design a type one civilisation.

[Regster]

@TK: You are over/under thinking this.  Phil has already published enough information to enable any organisation that does not have to abide by commercial rules to make/use it with a little trial and error (in terms of exact materials).   Everyone with an interest in this subject has seen the various permutations of his website so it's too late for "suppression".

In defence of the "dark forces", they are just guys looking after their familes like we are and I think you are giving "them" less credit than "they" deserve by implying that the only tactic they ever had was "suppression".  Maybe it was possible a couple of decades ago to delete a couple of people and that's it all done, but not now.

You seem to be sure that other forms of alternative energy have been "suppressed".  If that were true, and considering that the "dark forces" are certainly (collectively (it's a group thing)) a lot more intelligent than you are, what would you (in a method acting attempt at being the combined minds of several CotC PhDs and their highly intelligent employers) think "their" plans would be - considering that "they" (according to you) already have all that "suppressed" information/technology - in the event that something valid and practically open-sourced that they could not "suppress" came to light?

And before you embarrass yourself by answering I'll do you a favour.... that isn't a question, it's just a snidey comment.