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[Qwert]

Here Elisha describes his replication of the test:
http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg342395/#msg342395

[conradelektro]

This so called replication http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg342395/#msg342395 and in general the "radio tube in an oven is a OU-proof" claim are very inconclusive.

My very simple explanation:

The oven is a very lively electromagnetic environment because some Kilowatt in electricity (220V 50 Hz, or 110 Volt 45 Hz) flow through the heating elements in the oven.

Whatever one places in the oven that has two wires sticking out will have µA or µW induced by the "mains hum" inside the oven.

It is very difficult to look at a µA or nA signal with an oscilloscope, but one would see the 45 Hz or 50 Hz frequency. One could amplify the signal with an OpAmp without falsifying it's frequency. But I am not interested enough in duing this so called OU-proof. But the people who want to believe the "radio tube in an oven is a OU-proof" should definitely look for the "mains hum" in their experiment.

Greetings, Conrad

[lumen]

This so called replication http://www.overunity.com/12207/quentron-com/msg342395/#msg342395 and in general the "radio tube in an oven is a OU-proof" claim are very inconclusive.

My very simple explanation:

The oven is a very lively electromagnetic environment because some Kilowatt in electricity (220V 50 Hz, or 110 Volt 45 Hz) flow through the heating elements in the oven.

Whatever one places in the oven that has two wires sticking out will have µA or µW induced by the "mains hum" inside the oven.

It is very difficult to look at a µA or nA signal with an oscilloscope, but one would see the 45 Hz or 50 Hz frequency. One could amplify the signal with an OpAmp without falsifying it's frequency. But I am not interested enough in duing this so called OU-proof. But the people who want to believe the "radio tube in an oven is a OU-proof" should definitely look for the "mains hum" in their experiment.

Greetings, Conrad

That is true, but then why would you take the mesurements at that time?
Unplug the oven and see the results when it's not running. Heat is all your after and it's still hot right?

[TinselKoala]

Well, thank you for pointing out Elisha's work. I can only wonder why he did a confirmatory demonstration instead of a true experiment with proper controls. "Why" being used rhetorically of course, since I know very well "why".

For example.... what would have happened if, instead of the valve .... he put a potato in the oven, connected as shown? Or a ball of steel wool? Or simply a big coil of wire? Do potatoes violate 2LoT ?
MileHigh's post immediately after the photos of Elisha's demonstration makes the point that an honest researcher spends more time and money trying to _rule out_ all possible other explanations. There are all kinds of alternative explanations for voltage and current shown on meters in kitchens. None of them are ruled out.... especially the fact that the meter is at a vastly different temperature than the device under test.

I have a theory that the photoelectric effect is fictitious, and that solar PV cells really work by the action of solar fairies, floating down from the sun on gossamer wings, tickling the material and making Zipons laugh, so they spin around and their gyrokinetic fields produce signals of voltage and current. My proof is that I put a solar PV cell in the sun and my meters show unequivocally that there is voltage and current. Therefore my theory has been shown to be correct, over and over, and I've done the experiment many times in many different locations. In addition, the experiment doesn't work at night, when solar fairies are sleeping. I offer a subscription to the magazine Fantasy and Science Fiction to any major University that repeats this experiment and does NOT find a voltage and current produced. This offer expires on the 31st of February.

[Qwert]

That is true, but then why would you take the mesurements at that time?
Unplug the oven and see the results when it's not running. Heat is all your after and it's still hot right?

Elisha doesn't mention if he did so in his test, however.