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[profitis]

 the karpen system follows the rules governing gaseous concentration cells.case closed.whats the problem with sarkeizen and milehigh?we may never know.why they object to standard applied physics is a mystery @lumen. gold and platinum,2 different work functions,2 different absorption capacities for oxygen gas. karpen pile = quenco.

[sarkeizen]

whats the problem with sarkeizen and milehigh?

Probably that we differentiate between what one imagines and what is observed.  Your ability to imagine that some part of physics will result in a 2LOT violation, and that some device you have never directly observed MUST both have implemented this correctly and is operating correctly.  Is not at issue.  You and lumen both have very fertile imaginations.

The question is: Has there been a direct observation of anything which violates 2LOT - even Lumen who seems to have all sorts of issues.  Appears to agree that this has not been observed.

@lumen. gold and platinum,2 different work functions,2 different absorption capacities for oxygen gas. karpen pile = quenco.

So are you saying the ideal karpen pile device - to distinguish what you imagine from what is observed -  is a Maxwell's Demon device which reduces entropy in an isothermal system?

[lumen]

Probably that we differentiate between what one imagines and what is observed.  Your ability to imagine that some part of physics will result in a 2LOT violation, and that some device you have never directly observed MUST both have implemented this correctly and is operating correctly.  Is not at issue.  You and lumen both have very fertile imaginations.

The question is: Has there been a direct observation of anything which violates 2LOT - even Lumen who seems to have all sorts of issues.  Appears to agree that this has not been observed.
So are you saying the ideal karpen pile device - to distinguish what you imagine from what is observed -  is a Maxwell's Demon device which reduces entropy in an isothermal system?

I think you might want to look into this a bit further as even Karpen himself was a firm believer in 2LOT.

I see someone on youtube has replicated a Karpen pile. Though not very scientifically constructed as there could be some chemical reaction going on there.
According to the patent, the Karpen pile will drop in temperature when used, indicating the consumption of environmental heat.

Karpen has given may ways to construct his device and some are very easy to build with inexpensive materials. He only used gold and platinum in his display device so there could be no question of chemical reaction producing any current.

[sarkeizen]

even Karpen himself was a firm believer in 2LOT.

Again equal parts "How do you measure that?" and "Why would that be important?"

I see someone on youtube has replicated a Karpen pile.

Someone has replicated something people are not actually allowed to examine thoroughly...is that really what you want to say?  Or are you saying people on youtube claim they have 2LOT violating devices.  That NEVER happens...oh wait...it does.

Though not very scientifically constructed as there could be some chemical reaction going on there. 

*could* is a funny word there.  Like you think the absolute most likely conclusion to draw from something you can't even examine yourself, assembled by someone who might or might not have done it correctly is that IT MUST BE 2LOT VIOLATING.  Before you call reporters you might want to nail down a few facts....

According to the patent, the Karpen pile will drop in temperature when used, indicating the consumption of environmental heat.

What does "consumption" mean?  Does my refrigerator "consume" heat?  I'm pretty sure it doesn't violate 2LOT.   How many times in the last few years has the pile sitting in a museum had the temperature drop validated and by whom?  What level drop was measured on that device?

Karpen has given may ways to construct his device and some are very easy to build with inexpensive materials.

Let me guess.  The cheap ones produce a smaller effect and it's poorly measured and all the evidence is on youtube...

He only used gold and platinum in his display device so there could be no question of chemical reaction producing any current.

Yet you can't actually validate that what's sitting in the office of the museum is actually made of those things.  Don't you think you should determine that before you call the press conference.  Just saying...

[profitis]

@sarkeizen what is observed is a common electrode concentration cell man.now please explain where do you have a problem with this.who cares if its a 2lot disruption or not.all we know is that it wont run out of fuel,ever.please refer to your electrochemistry text-book under section: electrode concentration cells,and tell us what issue you have with what is written.