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[sarkeizen]

'if there is one hole in the kelvin bucket then all of kelvin spills on the floor'

Are you no longer arguing that "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to create batteries which will run an ipod like device eternally"?

Either you are arguing this or you are not.  If not, then of course I win that argument.  Since all I am arguing is that you can't support that statement strictly using textbooks and formal logic.

Take your time.  Let me know.

[profitis]

well lets see what wikipedia has to say about our cell @sarkeizen since they collect info from textbooks for us and give references too...'this generation of electricity from AMBIENT thermal energy,WITHOUT a temperature gradient,is possible because the convergence of chemical concentrations in the 2 half-cells increases ENTROPY,and this increase more than compensates for the decrease when heat is converted into electrical energy'..source: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concentration_cell .this about sums it up for our everlasting cell mentioned further below in that same article titled'oxygen concentration cell' @sarkeizen,the very same cell that we challenge you to kill.you can see that it obeys thermodynamic entropy requirements,the electrochemical entropy requirement completely overwhelming the pressure and temperature entropy requirement,,when in electrical contact of course..what say you @sarkeizen?

[sarkeizen]

well lets

answer my question please...I get that you don't like losing but you should at least try to be fair.

[profitis]

 question answered,with an answer @sarkeizen. The above electrochemical cell violates kelvin-plank statement but satisfies entropy requirements of the 2nd law.quite a juxtaposition to swallow for the mind.two seperate entropy states in one system.either the one is active in time(electrochemical) or the other active in time(pressure,diffusion).assymetrical.

[sarkeizen]

question answered

Not very clearly.  Please state: Are you no longer arguing that "Textbooks necessitate the existence of and the ability to create batteries which will run an ipod like device eternally"?

Again, I'm sure you don't like losing but since you constantly demand answers to your stupid and vague questions.  You could at least answer one of my clear and concise ones.   Just for a change from your normal miasma of nonsense.