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[hartiberlin]

Gentlemen, please. I read through that entire forum, and NOWHERE did I see any "proof". I have spoken with Darrell directly, and probably shown him more honest internest than anyone in quite some time. Did he ask for ANY financial assistance? no. He did however offer to help me build if I lived closer. The baseless attacks which you have levelled at Darrell I find personally affronting. This person that supposedly invested in Darrell's dream gave NO PROOF that he gave anyone anything at all

Hi Nightwynd,
that is right.
It is also my experience with Darrell and I will not delete any  postings over here
as otherwise I would be called a censor.
Racer270 can just unsubscribe himself from the forum if he wishes to do so.

Well I guess it is time you will visit Darrell and see his wheel and
give us a first hand eye witness report...

Darrell has invested 25 years for this wheel and he just doesn?t want to give it away
by showing too much in the posted videos. I have seen some quite remarkable videos
already, cause I have signed NDA, but it would be good to have an eye witness go there.
Many thanks.

[c0mster]

I am looking forward to the outcome of Nightwynd's visit.

[hartiberlin]

HE HAS SEEN THE FRAUD WORNING ABOUT DARRELL FOR YEARS......!!!!

AND IS NOW DOING WHAT,? WITH IT.....BLOWING SMOKE UP YOUR A$$ ABOUT IT......LOL

P-L-E-E-S-E.......
HE UESES HIS ADMAN STATICE TO POST MY E-MAIL ADDRESS, AND DELITES THE POST MADE BY ME THAT HE DOESENT LIKE,.....THINK ABOUT IT....!!!1

WHY HAS HE BEEN A MEMBER @ BESSLER.COM SENCE 2003 AND NOT SEEN THE " FRAUD LISTING" , ABOUT DARRELL........LOL....

DREAMS ARE ONE THING,  we have almost 400 members , we self police are forum, i think you need to do the same....!

racer270,
you are accusing again
and I did not delete any of your post and I also will not delete any of your future
postings...,so if you think one posting is missing, just repost it .

I haven?t had visited the Besslerforum for quite some time in the past and was not aware
of the Fraud board there, but as I see it, only the other people put the Vandusen topic there
after Clarkie said, he had lost 10.000 US$ but seemed not to cry and he also nevermade the
whole sub-conditions public.
At least what he posted was the FACT, that Mr. Vandusen build from the money Clarkie ( Pete) gave him
the 8 foot machine !

So it seems this money was well spend and the 8 foot machine
looks quite nice.

The problem Darrell is still having is , that because of the length of the spokes and the
huge weights on them , they are a bit shaking, when going through the lock and
unlock mechanism and the wheel is thus is bit unstable,
which he wants to fix in the next days.

But he claims, that his 6 Foot machine is running and the videos
I have seen suggest that also !


Please let us concentrate now again on the technical side of things
over here again.
I hope Jim Mich can forward me the WM2D calculations he did on the Vandusen
wheel, so I can have a closer look at it.

Regards, Stefan.

[hartiberlin]

Also this way posted on the Besslerwheel forum by user coylo



Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2005 4:38 pm    Post subject: re: First prototype made   

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I cannot whole-heartedly brand Darrell a fraud, there are a few questions remaining to be answered.
First of all in my e-mail exhange with Darrell, not once did he ask for money nor was there the slightest hint at such. He was just looking for advice.
Quote:
Originally he was only going to clean up the existing wheel so we could show it to investors but he got carried away and built a new one that didn't work.

With regards to Pete's situation, you could look at it from the perspective that Pete made an investment, and like any other business investment it involves great risk. Getting involved in some kind of business partnership with Darrell could of been financially rewarding, or the latter could happen in which case it did....or did it?........so.......

Questions for Darrell Vandusen Sr:

Are you going to honour Pete's investment and finish his machine that he payed for?
or...
Are you going to reimburse Pete his money because so far you have simply not honoured your side of the agreement?

[racer270]

Lets stop the flame wars - if there is proof that the wheel doesn't work - let's prove it. Logically and friendly like - throwing accusations around accomplishes nothing.

well we did, and you should too........the "red flag "......is he ran this same scam at bess.com
almost 1 and 1/2 years ago,...!

i have seen the 8 foot wheel video,the bent arms ....ect.
i did a (nda) like you did, but it is meaninless , because it is a fraud...!
the truth is I have the equipment to analyze his videos,and I did it in a frame by frame analysis over a year and a half ago.
please someone go and looked at his contraption firsthand then report the BS back to your members...!
just keep a tight grip on your pocketbook...!

ps.not only did you post my e-mail address here .....you also postedit@bestler.com....why...?
if you wanted my e-mail address why did you not just at ask....?
what was the point,....?

as far as you have not visited bessler.com inquire a while,that's BS....anyone can go to the site and find all your posts the dates they were posted and make their own conclusions.

frankly I wish you would unsubscribe me from your forum,I would do it myself if it was clear how to do so.

I only came to your form to give you a heads up,.....nothing more...!
Darryl comes off very polite over the phone,he has had my home phone number for two years....he even uses a fake accent from time to time.
....oooo don't you know........have you heard that yet...?

you did remove my e-mail address from this form , what gave you the right to post it in the first place.?
and why did you post it at besslerswheel.com ....?

I am surely not hiding behind a anonymous e-mail address,.....your forum gave me the option not to show it...!
but you chose to use your administrative privilege to show it not only here but at other forums why...?
what was the point....?
it really doesn't matter to me......what your motivation is,and most of the members at besslers.com have had my personal e-mail address for years....!
I find it hard to believe that you would come to bessler.com and pronounce Darryl's contraption as viable...

you go right ahead and defend them to your last dollar......just remember I told you so....!

once again remove me as a member of this forum,I did not come here to insult anyone except Darryl is a scam stir a fraud and I think y'all need to find that out for yourselves best of luck..