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supercapacitors will trump batteries

Started by vironika, May 03, 2012, 06:46:49 AM

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fritznien

Quote from: sparks on July 16, 2012, 07:36:28 PM
the super capacitors are 5 farads at what 3 volts.  Capacitance increases with the square of the voltage.  So go from 3 to 10,003.  Which is an increase of 10,000 volts.  or 3,333 times the supercap voltage.  So your faradic rating is 3,333 squared times 5.   3.3 to the third squared is 10 to the 6th times 5 or 5 times 10to the 7th.  Or 500 million farads.  Now we know that the supercapacitors use granulated activated carbon which has huge amounts of surface area.  But the voltage has to to be low because it's pointy.  Tesla geometry speaks directly to the problem of dielectric breakdown due to uneven charge being distributed in the capacitor dielectric interface.  This gives rise to eddy currents instead of electrostatic currents and dielectric "electricfication".
charge increases in proportion to voltage, energy with the square of the voltage.
voltage rating and capacitance are 2 different things and capacitance is independant of voltage applied.
a super cap is rated at 3 volts because that is all the dialectric will take safely.
tp increase the voltage 3333 times would require 3333 times the dialectric thickness which
would drop C by a factor of 3333 times.take all the points off the actvated charcoal and you
loose a lot of area which cuts C in proportion.
fritznien

onthecuttingedge2005

Quote from: bugler on July 16, 2012, 05:57:55 PM
Science (and everything else) is dead.


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hoptoad

Quote from: bugler on July 16, 2012, 05:57:55 PM
Science (and everything else) is dead.

snip...

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Who then, are you posting your comments to, and how is it, if everything is dead, that you (a part of everything) were able post in the first place ?

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Cheers

sparks

Quote from: fritznien on July 16, 2012, 08:36:17 PM
charge increases in proportion to voltage, energy with the square of the voltage.
voltage rating and capacitance are 2 different things and capacitance is independant of voltage applied.
a super cap is rated at 3 volts because that is all the dialectric will take safely.
tp increase the voltage 3333 times would require 3333 times the dialectric thickness which
would drop C by a factor of 3333 times.take all the points off the actvated charcoal and you
loose a lot of area which cuts C in proportion.
fritznien
Sorry about using the word capacitance instead of farads.  And I think it is farads we are after.  Aren't farads 1 amp seconds?  so a 5 farad capacitor gives you 5 amps for a second.  The capacitor manufacturers are trying to increase the energy density of the capacitors so they fit in tight places. Therefore they have increased the surface area of the electrodes and decreased the thickness of the dielectric.  This is all to save room so they fit in places like electronic chassis.  This ever increasing electronics getting small is fine for low power applications but not for highpower applications.  Tesla's roadster had two large conductors about six feet long mistaken for antennae.  These were his harpin mains.  The tesla transformer secondary (and primary) are blocking oscillators where the copper is used as the scource of the inductance and the scource of the capacitance needed to create the blocking oscillator.  The blocking oscillator forms infinite impedance to the passage of current through it and infininte affinity for the storage of current in it when the signal or applied voltage is to be blocked and not appear at the load.  This current is then extractable at a time 2.  The resistance and capacitance losses usually associated with discrete components connected by conductors is overcome in the Tesla transformer as the discrete components are superimposed in the space occupied by the blocking oscillator.
     The other consideration is that capacitance is a function of the volume of the space underconsideration and not the area.  I have no idea as to where this area deal crept into engineering.  By charging the entire volume of the conductor we get very high muliples of capacitance based on plate capcitor engineering..  What is the volume of a cylinder expressed in area.  Infinity if you slice it to infintesimal thickness.  Wire is cylinderical in shape.  Now start taking the wire apart atom by atom and putting them on a flat surface so it is one atom thick.  In one 2 meter by 1" diameter piece of copper you have lots and lots of atoms to form your crystal one atom thick with the valence shell orbitals just overlapping and the unbound free electrons forming a haze above the glued down atoms.  Now you have a space charge many many free electrons residing in a three dimensional field.  This happens in a conductor all on it's own due to the copper atoms forming ionic bonds and forcing the excess negative charges to the skin.  So your copper comes precharged negative.  The increase in charge density is that you add an electron to the electron cloud.   You can do this until you have added as many electrons as you can get from a scource of electrons and jamming them into the space until the permittivity of the vacuum conditions are met.  This would mean you are able to fill up the entire space inside the conductor until you have a coherent field of touching electrons.   This is alot of charge and is only accomplished at high voltage or pressure charging of the unipolar capacitor.  A good scource of free electrons is the Earth.  Another scource is the gases ionized in the spark gap and aceelerated in the spark gap by a very high frequency electrodynamic energy scource.
  One last consideration is that Tesla was not working with ac highfrequency.  He was working with highfrequency high potential circuits. He moved way beyond ac highvoltage when he realized the amount of losses involved with ac low frequency.  So these folks running around putting on spark shows with Karcher transfomers and claiming they are Tesla transformers should wize up.  This way they might not spend hours and hours rewinding their secondaries every time they turn their Karcher on.
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bugler

Quote from: onthecuttingedge2005 on July 17, 2012, 01:44:47 AM
Hah, my wife has an I.Q of 208. go figure.
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