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Continuously Flowing Water Theory

Started by johnny874, June 09, 2012, 10:02:52 AM

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hoppfield

Quote from: johnny874 on June 22, 2012, 10:21:50 AM
  By having water in the top reservoir drain into a bucket, as the bucket descends it also pumps the
reservoir back up again. And when it nears the bottom of it's travel, it empties into the lower reservoir.
I think you'll get the basic idea.

smoky, this one matters more if you go back to the original post. and since I am taking the time to build Mt 125,
it's relevant to what I am working on. Building tandem bellows is actually a lot of work.

hoppfield

Quote from: sm0ky2 on October 30, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
exactly.

The force of gravity on the static heads will balance out with the mgh of the water column and no flow will occur.

  flow would occur. The water in the chamber with vacuum would drain out.

edited to add; what I was considering with this is the surface area of the water in the chamber with the vacuum in it.
                    trying to apply hydraulic theory with water surface area instead of a pressure head. But without something else
                   creating expansion, surface area doesn't matter.

hoppfield

Quote from: sm0ky2 on October 30, 2015, 12:13:56 AM
exactly.

The force of gravity on the static heads will balance out with the mgh of the water column and no flow will occur.

  With this design, if the top reservoir were a pump, then when reservoir "A" is full, it would operate the pump at the top.
There would need to be a reservoir between the pump (top reservoir) and reservoir "A". This would allow the secondary reservoir (not shown)
to close the top pump (bellow?). In a way, it would be like building a better mouse trap but could work. It would be a stationary type
perpetual motion machine where different parts would move to perform work. If you want, I could do a drawing to show you what I am talking about. In some ways, it almost makes Bessler's Mt 125 seem simpler but some people might find it more interesting.
I changed the drawing quick like. If A empties into B, B can tilt down on it's right. This would close A. When this happens, a drain in B can open,
this would fill C. As C drops, it opens A (expands or operates a pump) and when C reaches it's lowest point, it can also have a drain open allowing it to empty into D.
The mistake I made with the original design was in using pressure to pump water and not using vacuum to draw water into A at the top.

p.s., sm0ky2, what my 3 antagonists miss is that there might be some money to be made, and some is better than none. and there is little sense
in inventing something and then letting a business have it for free. With Bessler, not patentable.
edit to change pic

citfta


Hoppfield is partially correct about this drawing.  Water will flow.  The water on the right side of the baffle will flow out the drain.  Since the top is open to the atmosphere there is nothing to prevent the water from flowing out the drain.  At the same time the vacuum on the left side of the baffle will also draw some of the water from the right side over to the left side.  The vacuum will draw very little water from the tank on the left because the water on the right side of the baffle is closer and there is less friction loss of the water trying to move.  When the water on the right side gets to the bottom of the baffle the vacuum will be lost and some of the water from the left side will then flow to the right side until a vacuum is created again on the left side that would balance the weight of the water in the left side that is above the baffle.  This process will be repeated until the water on the left side reaches the bottom of the baffle.  At that point the rest of the water will simply run out of the drain.

hoppfield

   Is it okay if I give you guys something to think about ? I changed the design to take suction from a reservoir
  that also serves as a base or stand. While atmospheric air pressure will decrease with elevation, we'll need to agree
  on 14.7 psi / 1.031 kg/cm^2.
   And with pressure heads, the force increases at 0.44 psi per foot in elevation which in metric terms is 0.031 kg/cm^2 per
  30 cm in elevation.
  Since water has a force of 0.44 psi or 0.031 kg/cm^2, could the surface area of the water create a slight vacuum sufficient to draw the water into the tank while maintaining a force greater than 14.7 psi/1.031 kg/cm ^2 ?
The drain pipe could loop to the inlet pipe to maintain a minimum pressure head on both the inlet and discharge sides.

  I'll leave the one pic up even though it's the wrong one. Have been told 2 dropping weights can not move water from one "piston"
to another. You know, if 2 1 lb./ or 1/2 kg. weights drop, can they move water weighing 1/2 as much ? You know, move 1 lb. or 1/2 kg of water.
Just think of a piston moving in a cylinder with a weight attached to it. I'm serious, experts have said it can't work, something about a  trade off because you'd have too much weight on one side. Kind of why I'm playing it safe and sticking with Bessler. I like proven technology  :-D