Continuously Flowing Water Theory

[johnny874]

  Ghost asked me to start a thread on this.
The basic idea would be if the tube on the right is connected to the one on the left, the atmospheric pressure would pump the water up the left side. This is because there would be a vacuum at the top.
A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in.

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edited to correct spelling

[TinselKoala]

"A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in."

But the barrier lets water in.

What keeps the _water_ from filling up the vacuum? If the vacuum is strong enough to suck up the water in the first place it will just fill up with water and disappear.

When the vacuum is full of water, then you just have a loop of hose, with a hole in it at the top, and we know what happens then.

If you close the hole, though, then you have a standard siphon hose, that works in the normal way.

Here's a question for you: Will a standard siphon work in a vacuum?

[johnny874]

"A barrier would maintain the vacuum by not letting air in."

But the barrier lets water in.

What keeps the _water_ from filling up the vacuum? If the vacuum is strong enough to suck up the water in the first place it will just fill up with water and disappear.

When the vacuum is full of water, then you just have a loop of hose, with a hole in it at the top, and we know what happens then.

If you close the hole, though, then you have a standard siphon hose, that works in the normal way.

Here's a question for you: Will a standard siphon work in a vacuum?

   TK,
There might be a slight trick to it. microcontroller mentioned to me about flow control. This would be necessary to get the 2 sides to work together.
I modified the drawing to show how drainage might allow it to work. If water is draining out of the top reservoir, then the vacuum would have trouble acting on it. What this would allow for is the water in the open static head to still be pumped by air.
Then all that might be left is to find out what vacuum works best and what level of water is needed in the top reservoir.
One of the things this considers is how pressure effects a static head. If a fluid is pumped into a vacuum, it would require less work than what being pumped into a pressurized space, even the atmosphere which is 14 psi.
A vacuum of 15hg's (7 psi of air pressure) would require about 1/2 the force to pump water into it as a static head with 14 psi (atmospheric pressure) acting on it.  It would be an attempt to play on this difference.
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edited to correct hg's of vacuum

[johnny874]

  @All,
what might be missed in something like this is it might help industry to use less energy if they use water tanks to develop or assist in developing line pressure.
if a water district could use 15% less energy to fill water towers which provide water to your homes, would that matter ?
Guess if someone worked with engineering, it would make for a better discussion. Won't bother you guys any more. Sorry.                                                         

[FatBird]

If you watch the Video below, you will see Continuously Flowing Water WITHOUT a VACUUM AND Vacuum Pump.
It could be Scaled Up so the falling water could drive a Water Wheel that turns a Generator.

FREE ELECTRICITY forever.  Why monkey around with a vacuum???


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=287qd4uI7-E&feature=channel&list=UL

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