Continuously Flowing Water Theory

[Ghost]

I don't know why but something tells me to add/mix this idea: http://www.overunity.com/12396/school-boy-experiment-with-water
with your idea johnny874.

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[johnny874]

I don't know why but something tells me to add/mix this idea: http://www.overunity.com/12396/school-boy-experiment-with-water
with your idea johnny874.

* * * See attached pdf file.

   Ghost,
I had sent a link to someone showing how coffee makers pump water with no moving parts.
When the water is heated, the air it releases pumps the water. a neat trick but of limited use.
With the experiment Vineet did, he is pumping air similar to what wayne is doing 
if things start working out for me, then next week I might be able to start building an
actual test model. What I can do in the mean time is post some drawings of how I plan
on going about building it. This way if someone else wants to try it, they can.
I would be starting with the pump itself and the top reservoir. It could be when people
sees how that works then they'll see how it might work.
And to make it easier on anyone else who would try, I would be showing how I build everything starting with the bellows. And as far as math goes, I'm going to try to use as little as possible.

                                                                           Jim

[johnny874]

  @All,
  Here is possibly the simplest design I could come up with.
The top reservoir would need to be 2 sections. This is to allow one section
to be pumped up while the lower section is empty. When the A section is filled,
it can lift a float which opens a flapper type valve. This will let the water drain
to the B section where it will float the water bucket back to it's start position.
In the digram for the lower resrvoir / pump assembly, the water bucket is top
right, when it is lifted, it will open another flapper type valve in the B section.
This will let that water drain into the water bucket. As this happens, the
bucket will become heavier and start pumping water up the riser tube once again
filling the top reservoir A section.
When the water bucket is finished pumping, it's flapper valve will open letting it
drain into the bottom reservoir.
Basically, it seems 4 flapper valves and one float could control all movement
of the water in this design.
I think if you take a little time and consider it, it could work for as basic of a design
as it is.
Not sure though, but I might not be able to do anythng for a while. But then, this is
an open source design. One thing to remember, that the water the bellows pumps is
equal to the volume in the riser tube, and what is in the water bucket. If you follow
the flow, you'll understand this.
And with the loop seal that goes from the bottom reservoir to the bellows, it should
always have water in it to keep air out of the system.

                                                                                    Jim

edited to add; a one way check valve or ball in the riser tube would be needed so it, like
the loop seal will always have water in it. This would be to prevent back flow when the
bellows is being primed (opened) as the water bucket is moved back to it's start position.
If you notice, in the bottom of the bellows, there is a flat line which is, yep, a flapper
valve.   I think ya'all get it. 

[johnny874]

   @All,
Cleaned it up some to make it easier to understand.
A flapper valve could be placed on top of the riser tube
to prevent back flow into the pump. A round pump
might work better than a bellows because it would be
more compact. This would allow for more leverage by
the water bucket which would be a plus. Like Tim Allen
always said, more power is always a good thing, grunt,, grunt 
A bellows makes for a good visual to understand pumping
something. Not everyone has experience working with various
types of pumps. A pump might be made out of pvc tubing, a flat
piece of plastic and something like felt as a seal. It would leak a
little, but that would help to keep the seal from wearing out
because of friction. Also, the leakage would also help to keep
the felt lubricated so it could work better, less friction while
sealing the pump. The pump would probably be what makes or breaks
this kind of idea, it does need to be efficient.
And when a flapper valve needs to be lifted so water can flow, a line
to something above it will allow it to open. One trick to flapper valves
is to look at the one inside of your commode, seriously, take a look at
it and see how it works. It closes after the tank is emptied because of
it's shape. Something worth noting.
By the way, super glue would probably work for holding things together.

                                                             Jim

p.s. with section A, it can be shallow but would need to be deep enough so
a float could open the valve to section B when the pump has completed it's
cycle, all the way down, emptied, etc., etc.


edited to correct spelling 

[johnny874]

  deleted as it is a double post, sorry