Alternative/Free Energy Group Starting In Hampton Roads

[travin69]

Jonifer,

Thanks for the comments.  I appreciate them.  I am still not convinced and I will let the test results determine the outcome and path of my research.  I am sure that many people have tried doing what I am doing.  I just don't know their capabilities and their materials used.  I am winding the second coil this weekend.  If it performs like my calculations suggest it will, I might be able to prove you wrong about overunity motors.  If not, I will just keep trying other things until I exhaust my resources or something works.

As an addition to my testing, once I have (large assumption here) got more out than I put in (net), I will wire it to be a self running machine.  This I believe is the ultimate test of overunity and will once and for all prove if an overunity magnetic motor is possible.

Thanks again,

Daniel

[gyulasun]

Hi Daniel,

IT is a good sign your motor does not draw more input power when you load its shaft. Can you stop the shaft by your handgrip? how "beefy" it is I wonder.
You wrote you have been building a generator to test output and possibly loop the mot-gen setup.  This is bit tricky because you do not know 2 things: your present motor efficiency and your would-be generator efficiency.  In case your motor has (say) COP=1.1 (this would mean 110% efficiency) and you generator will have (say) COP=0.85 (85%), then looping them would result in 1.1 times 0.85=0.935  i.e. by looping you would get a stop soon. AND you still would have a motor with 110% efficiency but how would you notice that?   I deliberately chose COP numbers to show this 'dilema': how would you know in advance the COP of your generator, it would be needed to test by some means.  IF you are aware of these, then sorry for my ranting.
Regarding the looping, you must be careful and some voltage regulation means should be used between the gen output and motor output otherwise a very fast runaway situation may develope, ruining your circuits.

Greetings,
Gyula

[travin69]

Gyula,

You have hit my diliema on the head.  I have been struggling with this for some time now.  I was going to order a generator online (perm mag dc) until I checked the efficiency (it was 55%).  I am looking for another option currently with an efficiency over 90%.  I might have to build a small ponybreak to calculate load on the shaft if I can't find a better genset.  My motor only goes about 500 rpm so finding an efficient, low speed gen has been rough.  The search continues.

As for the motor I have built, it is very weak; I can easily stop it with my hand.  I only used small magnets due to cost.  If I can't do it with small magnets, I can't do it with larger ones, and there is no need to spend the extra money.

Hope to have some options this week for the generator for load testing.  I will keep this thread updated.

Thanks,

Daniel

[briansahern]

From Brian

I am new to the group, but I bring a strong message.  I have been testing with Arthur Manelas for nearly 12 months. He wraps 22-guage wire around three perpendicular axises of a ferrite billet the size of a paperback book.  He send rapid rise time pulses through the windings and  several unknown components that result in highvoltage pulses being sent to a battery.

This is a combination of Bedini and Floyd Sweet, but it works and produces about 80 watts of electrical power. It is over unity, but I do not know how or why it works.  I just learned about nitinol and thought that it may be better than Arthur's barrium ferrite billet.

Arthur 'conditions' the billets by some proprietary process that result  in abupt firld gradients acoss the billet, so fast rising pulses see these abrupt field changes and the resulting induce fields in the windings somehow get amplified.

I am excited about this concept. Please believe me that the Manelas device works, but I am not privy to the circuit.

[gyulasun]

Hi Daniel,

Unfortunately there is no efficiency data at all but maybe the seller can provide the manifacturer data sheet for this relatively cheap permanent magnet generator (unless the shipping cost is not prohibitive), see this link:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/WIND-PMA-PERMANENT-MAGNET-ALTERNATOR-GENERATOR-TURBINE-/390447133424

(Strangely enough, the same generator (but for fractions of penny) from the same seller in the USA ebay is here:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/WIND-PMA-PERMANENT-MAGNET-ALTERNATOR-GENERATOR-TURBINE-/390447510682?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item5ae87c349a )

The big question is whether your motor would be able to maintain this generator in rotation when you load the gen output by just 15-16W BUT if you could obtain it at a relatively cheap shipping cost, it may be worth the risk? Especially if you see this generator rotor offer: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renagade-7-mag-pma-permanent-magnet-alternator-rotor-for-wind-turbine-generator-/280929258029?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4168b04a2d

I was thinking of bicycle generators built into the hub (because their efficiency is usually specified) but realized they do not normally provide 15-16W output power and they are expensive (and afterall their efficiency is anything between 60-85%): http://www.bikequarterly.com/VBQgenerator.pdf

So what remains for you as the cheapest solution (at least I think) is to build a decent Prony brake setup to measure your motor's output shaft torque...  though you are surely familiar with it, here is a link you may have not come across, see Page 19 for a simple torque measurement in the PDF file:
http://www.stirlingengine.com/download/smart_stirling_manual.pdf 

(this is a good forum here too: http://www.hereticalbuilders.com/showthread.php?t=198 )

rgds,  Gyula