Simple to build isolation transformer that consumes less power than it gives out

[TinselKoala]

@TK

Don't fret about name calling members.

Even thought this is not @JN relevant, your videos with Tx and Rx effects is just great.

I have questions about your set-up.

So do I. I don't want to hijack this thread, so further discussion of my devices can happen in the comments to the specific videos where I show the interesting effects as I find them. I'll try to answer these questions here though.

1) On the Tx side,  since your voltage reading does not change (fixed voltage applied) and only your amp readings is increasing in certain conditions. So where is the amps read in series?

The ammeter is in series with the input power coming from the battery/power supply. Lately to stabilize things I've been running on the 12 volt, 5 A-H battery in parallel with the brute force DC PS with the system set to provide a steady 13 volts within the range of 1-5 amps draw. A regulated PS doesn't work so well since the current draw is so variable. I have the two DMMs patched in so that the ammeter is in series just before clipping to the board's power input leads, and the voltmeter is across the battery terminals. There is about 8 inches of twisted pair connecting the battery/PS to the board's input power leads. Scoping the input power shows a pretty steady DC voltage without much disturbance, and the voltage sags with heavy draw.

2) If the voltage reading is parallel to the Tx circuit feed and the amps is in series with the same location, I would like to know if in your Tx circuit after the feed, is there any full bridge rectifier that is isolating any possible return from your Tx coil back towards the feed side that may be the cause of the increase in amperage reading.

No, there is no rectifier. I think the system is like a somewhat lossy direct connection, so if the receiver draws more power the input power to the transmitter goes up accordingly, just as if they were connected with wires.

Meaning, is it possible, if this is DC pulsed Tx, that the receiver receives this DC pulsed Tx, hence a signal that goes on and off is exchanged, but when the Tx is on, the Rx is off, and when the Tx is off, the Rx is on. If this is the case then this may explain your Nova mode where when the Tx if off, the Rx is transmitting to the Tx, and when the Tx is on, the Tx is transmitting to the Rx so in essence is it possible that both Tx and Rx are both Tx-ing and RX-ing to each other in a loop that produces the Nova mode.

In one of the vids I show the receiver and the transmitter scoped at the same time. Both signals are nice sinusoids. Frequency and phase do change when SNM happens. The relative phase depends on where you clip the leads to the rx-- or equivalently, which side of the rx loop is facing the tx. If I hold the Rx by the probe leads and rotate the loop 180 degrees, the phase goes with it. So the relative phases depend on the loop orientation, i.e. which "end" of the loop you choose as a reference.

3) In your video, while you were playing with the third loop on the left of the Tx or between the Tx and the Rx and this increased the Rx fan speed, I could not help but realize you were showing, in a way, @otto's ECD function were all that is missing in yours is a mobius loop were half is Tx and half is Rx that feed each other to increase output. (Maybe a bad flash in the brain but when you were adjusting the third loop distances, @otto's ECD just jumped out at me given his loops had about the same distances.

When @otto was doing his ECD experiments, he had reported that under certain conditions his power supply voltage and amperage readings were just going haywire. I have seen this happen many times myself but we know this is not indicative of a dramatic increase in power consumption but rather the voltage and amperage readings were showing a high return of flyback from the pulsed device.

I am impressed by how LITTLE the meters are influenced by radiations etc. from the device. Its output is a remarkably clean sinusoid at between 500 kHz and about 850 kHz so there is actually very little sidebanding or rf "noise". I see solid voltage and current readings that are predictable, repeatable, and clearly related to receiver position, bulb brightness, etc. In other words, I am believing the meters in this case. This device doesn't disturb the meter performance, and the input side is straight ordinary DC, not even pulsed.

I guess the base question is...

4) How does the Tx side realize it needs more power as seen by the increase in the amperage readings you are showing under certain conditions? That is a big one to ask.

wattsup

PS: @JouleSeeker

Just saw your post that is in the same line as mine.

Yes, that's a big question and I don't know the answer. I suspect it's the same way that a battery realizes it needs to supply more current when the resistance of the load drops. When we can explain that one, then add in the electromagnetic field and explain being able to transmit that "realization" through space without connecting wires..... we will be happy campers indeed.

Even more intriguing to me is the "SN mode" ... where the brightness of the bulb doesn't vary with distance and the input current goes _up_ with distance as the system maintains the power to the receiver at a constant level even though the distance is changing.

Ok, sorry, I'd really prefer to do detailed discussions of this device on the YT comments to the vids themselves. I just wanted to show that there is some relevant work being done, that perhaps some misconceptions are happening, and that there are lots of possibilities that perhaps haven't been considered.

Thanks for your interest.

(ETA: Sorry, I'll append the schematic here so interested parties don't have to go digging for it. The receiver is just three components in parallel: cap of same capacitance as total in tx, bulb and loop, and for DC output another larger cap and a fast highcurrent diode in series, also paralleled with the receiving cap.)

[wattsup]

@TK

Thanks for your reply. This is very interesting stuff and getting to know this better is a key to many effects that I have a base logical explanation but do not want to expand on it now since without better knowledge, it may sound like I just walked off a flying saucer with new twin antennae sticking out of my forehead. lol

About discussing this here, it does not really matter since my experimenting with @JNs idea is now put on hold until he gets back from vacations. I see no point is continuing since of course we can make endless changes and variation of his base idea, but this would no longer be pertinent to his fixed recommendation.

One ultimate test with your set-up for me would be to fix the Tx and Rx loops so they cannot move apart from your best found distance and angle. Then this will enable you to lift the complete set-up off the table and turn the complete system in various angles relative to the ground plane to see if there is any change in Tx/Rx strength. This will show if ambient energy orientations can affect the complete system if both Tx and Rx loops do not change their mutual orientations. There is a reason for this madness but it would be so hard to explain in a few lines.

wattsup

[TinselKoala]

@TK

Thanks for your reply. This is very interesting stuff and getting to know this better is a key to many effects that I have a base logical explanation but do not want to expand on it now since without better knowledge, it may sound like I just walked off a flying saucer with new twin antennae sticking out of my forehead. lol

About discussing this here, it does not really matter since my experimenting with @JNs idea is now put on hold until he gets back from vacations. I see no point is continuing since of course we can make endless changes and variation of his base idea, but this would no longer be pertinent to his fixed recommendation.

One ultimate test with your set-up for me would be to fix the Tx and Rx loops so they cannot move apart from your best found distance and angle. Then this will enable you to lift the complete set-up off the table and turn the complete system in various angles relative to the ground plane to see if there is any change in Tx/Rx strength. This will show if ambient energy orientations can affect the complete system if both Tx and Rx loops do not change their mutual orientations. There is a reason for this madness but it would be so hard to explain in a few lines.

wattsup

The problem with "here" is that inevitably my own personal troll/stalker will show up and start bombing the thread, and that's not fair to anyone. At least on my YT account he's blocked whenever he shows up under a new username.

I think I may have already done, less formally, the test that you describe.

Unlike my Tesla capacitative wireless power systems, this one is insensitive to surroundings or handling. I can stick big metal wrenches, or even working electronic circuits like the brushless computer fan, in between or even inside the loops with no apparent effect on anything. I think if I put a big conductive sheet of metal in between the rx and tx it might shield it, but the random presence of metal or not, like the toolbox that I have it set up on in the vids, doesn't make a difference that I can tell. The system is fully portable; I have one built into a small briefcase and a few days ago I took it to my electronics component supplier's store, set it up on his glass counter, and blew everybody's minds. You can pick up the transmitter by the loop while it's operating and it makes no difference to anything.

A high-voltage capacitative system would go crazy from that.

This system will _not_ light up neons,CFLs etc the way the SassyClassE SSTC HV capacitative system will. I have thought about lighting a CFL with it but I'd have to use the bulb's own power supply and the wireless receiver's output, not with just the bare bulb alone like the SSTCs will.

[TinselKoala]

@watts:
However, I do definitely see the point of doing the experiment just as you describe, in a more formal manner with, if possible, actual measurements. If the system can entrain energy from "outside" this could be small and very orientation dependent and my informal jugglings might not notice this very important effect.

[avalon]

I can't help thinking about the simularities of your experiment with olne of Don Smith's (one Tx coil - multiple tunes Rx coils).
You mentioned 'above 500kHz' so you wevelength is about 600 meters. Don Smih was using about 36 kHz - that's about 8.3 km.

It would be interesting to check if there is a reletionship between the operting frequency and the distance where the effect is at peak.