Knitel's Electrostatic Displacer Free Energy Device

[mscoffman]

Somewhere energy
has to be picked up from the outside. Where do you think the energy is
collected "from the air" in the Testatika ? At the disks' side or somewhere
down the transformation chain ? I don't think a great amount of charge
can be taken from the disks because 1) the non contacting brushes should
spark quite a few, and perhaps it would require a potential >> 10KV
2) Baumann stated that "the charge must never be taken off the disks" or such

a) My assumption is that triboelectric charge collection is by definition an
overunity process.

b) Believe me. Actual free electrons are collected from the air atmosphere.
The same process powers thunderstorms. The same sky return current
equalizes them. The disks collect them, then they flow to the Layden Jars

c) The design of Wimhurst disks are trade offs;
  1 - you want high resistance insulator so that the
average charge on the disk stays high - collecting ever more charge.

v.s.

2- you want low resistance on the disk so that the collected
charge can be discharged rapidly through the rest of the circuit
- hence the metalization pattern of the Testatika machine.
Solid metal disks on the wimshurst machine would not work!

pseudo random digital sequences ? Like 10110101010111010 ? Where, how ?
That's the first time I hear this theory... can you explain it more detailedly
please ?

This bbs edit window is misbehaving for me but yes;
psedudo random Ant Key sequencess. This would
allow the identical machine next store to operate
without syncronnization


:S:MarkSCoffman

[Hel]

a) My assumption is that triboelectric charge collection is by definition an
overunity process.

Aha, that's the hot topic! Please note that I actually DON'T WANT to be stuck
to the official science, on the contrary. But, unless any counter proof, you
have to make a mechanical work to separate the charges (tribo effect),
and I see no point why this work should give you more. If you separate
two attracting magnets, then use their force to let them join again... the same.
Unless...

b) Believe me. Actual free electrons are collected from the air atmosphere.

...indeed, we all think so of course. Unless, I was saying, the process of
triboelectric charging actually involved someway the air free electrons.
Only with this guess one can tell that triboelectric charging may be OU.

c) The design of Wimhurst disks are trade offs;
  1 - you want high resistance insulator so that the
average charge on the disk stays high - collecting ever more charge.

Ok that makes sense for me. You maintain a fixed charge on the disks,
this charge acting as "pump" to help air free electrons being attracted.
Then any surplus is taken off the disks.

However I have to tell that the Wimshurst resemblance always intrigued
me. Even if the working principle is completely different, it may not be
just casuality that the Testatikas look right that: two counter rotating
disks with tho big "pots" (MAINLY). That makes me think that perhaps
Baumann started "playing" with a Wimshurst machine and he thought to
modify it step by step, at least in principle, perhaps learning some strange
effect during his attempts... or at least, that he initially tried to self
build such a HV machine and then ended up with something functionally
different...

I also believe that all the work he made he did it on a completely intuitive
basis. No complex math. Baumann was not an engineer, but a clock maker.
Thus a lot of hand skill and intuition. Afterall, the same Methernitans' assertions
seem confirming that only such an approach could lead to the results they obtained.
If it were not for that (adjustable ?) rectifying coil on the top of the single disk
machine (the simpler of them), that makes me doubting, I would even say that
Baumann perhaps knew nothing about resonance, LC circuits and so on.

This bbs edit window is misbehaving for me but yes;
psedudo random Ant Key sequencess. This would
allow the identical machine next store to operate
without syncronnization

Mmmm... all that sounds double dutch to me