Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[Poit]

The real problem here is that Mr ltseung888 has what is referred to ask 'Sunk Cost Syndrome'. Often referenced in finacaial matters, but in this case, I beleive this to be correct diagnosis of Itseung888 and his refusal to see the truth. He is barking up the wrong tree, there is no OU in joule theifs, end of story.

"Sunk cost syndrome is where you are so attached to your existing work, products and methods that you refuse to abandon them even if they become outdated.The Fortune article talks about Seymour Cray as an example.  Cray built sailboats and supercomputers. "But in computing Cray knew, there is no such thing as timeless perfection, only obsolescence.  To drive the point home, legend goes, he'd build a beautiful sailboat each spring, then burn it in the fall."
I think this applies to your Big Ticket Marketing in two main ways.
The first way is the obvious one.  Don't fall so completely in love with a product or way of marketing that you stop trying to improve it.  In some ways you should be working to make your own products obsolete before someone else does it for you!  Try to constantly think of ways to improve your products and to improve your marketing.  Try another traffic generation technique, another list building process, another tracking tool, EVEN if the ones you are using today work great.  They could stop working sometime in the future.
The second way that Sunk-cost syndrome applies to your marketing business is what Robert Allen calls multiple streams of income.  Even if you have a product that you love and is selling really well, you should still go out and create additional products and sell them as well.  Or have multiple big ticket backend products for an existing product. Then if sales bottom out for a particular product because a killer competitive product is introduced in the market or even if the market for the product slowly dries up.  You still have the safety net of other products and their revenue streams to rely on."
http://www.likemagicmarketing.com/blogs/bigticket/2005_07_01_archive.htm

[ltseung888]

Dear Potential Tester,

Due to the large number of private requests for the oscilloscope test ready boards, I am introducing the following qualifying procedure.

(1) The tester must have Digital Oscilloscopes of the necessary features (2 cchannel, capable of saving the data for EXCEL analysis)
(2) The tester must read the attached file and the link to overunity.com first.
(3) The tester must disclose his information (name/organization) and his commitment to post in the above overunity.com thread.
(4) The tester must post his equipment setup, the oscilloscope screens and the full oscilloscope analysis on the above overunity.com thread after the test - within two weeks of receiving the Board.
(5) The tester must be willing to show the Board and test procedure to qualified organizations in his locality.

If you still feel that you would like to participate in the test, please do the above.  I shall keep your mailing address confidential.

May the Almighty help us to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung

[powercat]

This is always the big problem, we get a claim of OU and then there is pages and pages of argument and debate about how to measure properly.

Lawrence should know better by now he's been claiming OU for too many years, and yet he never comes up with a self-runner for most people here that is the only test that counts, can your device runner itself, and in Lawrence's case the answer has always been No 

[poynt99]

This is true, but it does not solve the problem. The problem is that the equation being used to compute power is not valid for an LED. It is only valid for resistors (and resistances that can be modeled as a resistor).

You are mistaken. The problem is your lack of understanding of how to make power measurements with an oscilloscope.

[TinselKoala]

Dear Potential Tester,

Due to the large number of private requests for the oscilloscope test ready boards, I am introducing the following qualifying procedure.

(1) The tester must have Digital Oscilloscopes of the necessary features (2 cchannel, capable of saving the data for EXCEL analysis)
(2) The tester must read the attached file and the link to overunity.com first.
(3) The tester must disclose his information (name/organization) and his commitment to post in the above overunity.com thread.
(4) The tester must post his equipment setup, the oscilloscope screens and the full oscilloscope analysis on the above overunity.com thread after the test - within two weeks of receiving the Board.
(5) The tester must be willing to show the Board and test procedure to qualified organizations in his locality.

If you still feel that you would like to participate in the test, please do the above.  I shall keep your mailing address confidential.

May the Almighty help us to benefit the World.

Lawrence Tseung

Dear Lawrence:

If your boards are overunity, they should be overunity _no matter how they are measured_ as long as the measurement method itself is valid. You have just admitted that your boards must be measured in one certain way in order to show your results.

How about making your measurements using an actual, qualified laboratory power analyzer, that can measure input and output power simultaneously at high bandwidth and display results in real-time, like the Clarke-Hess 2330? This method is clearly superior to spreadsheeting results obtained _asynchronously_ from two low-end DSOs -- and it will show you the true state of affairs: your circuitboards aren't OU at all, only your _measurements_, or rather the computations made using them, are OU.

May the Almighty allow you to shed the scales from your eyes and perceive the true nature of affairs.
--TK