Is joule thief circuit gets overunity?

[hartiberlin]

Yes,
Newman is mostly exaggerating the effects,

BUT MileHigh is forgetting how long he is running the 10 Watts pump power !

Newman achives to run it at least  3 to 10 times longer than a normal 10 Watts Direct Current draw would
take to discharge his batteries !

So Newman can pull much more energy out of the batteries !

[plengo]

Gentlemans,


please, let's be more honest with each other.


Some of you are picking the arguments and ignoring others. Others are speculating in how Newman's machine work without knowing how he built really and looking thing at the windows views of current science and IGNORING everything else that he is saying.


I presented a book for review where this is explained (magnetic laws) in detail. No one mention anything against the book or in favor, Lots of articles flying around but no real conversation, just I am right and you are wrong.


Please, this site is looked by a lot of eyes in the world including my family and probably some of yours. We are in the pursue of understanding, so understanding let us do.


Converting the energy stored in those batteries of Mr Newman's video is ludicrous  really, he did not even measure the batteries again to show how much was used.  You cannot know how much power (or energy ) he used in that video, you only speculated that the energy stored in those batteries to the MAXIMUM and calculated how he potentially could have done,


BUT,


you don't know that either, do you?


And how you think he build that motor, like conventional motor ? Really?


So far I am not impressed with our ability to calculate things and show what is possible, I am here to find the impossible, get it?


Either teach correctly, and correctly really, not just half way, please.


I have much more respect for those that SHOW work and not only talk.


@TinselKoala[/color],


I am building up more respect for you every day. I see how you are teaching Lawrence how to professionally measure things and prepare himself for his next challenge. I am learning with him too. Thank you. Please, keep that attitude of professionalism you have been showing. It is very good for us all here.


@Lawrence,


Keep learning and bringing your arguments and measurements. It is very plausible that you are correct, data will eventually show US that or not. I admire your diligence all this years and persistent approach to many here.



Fausto.

[ltseung888]

Attached is the oscilloscope analysis file for the basic JT.


The components are from the Lead-Out Energy Research Kit from BSI.
2n2222, 1 inch toroid with 28 turns, 1 K ohm resistor, AA battery. 1 white 3V Led, two 1 ohm resistors.


DC coupling was used for both Ch1 and Ch2.  Ch1 measures the voltage.  Ch2 measures the voltage across a one ohm resistor (thus representing current.)  11250 sampling points were taken.  The auto function was used.  The Input and Output were done separately with the same oscilloscope.  The AA battery was connected all the time.


The details are in the file.  The voltage, current and power waveforms for both Input and Output are available.  The COP as calculated from the average Output Power over average Input Power is 0.68.


Since the COP is less than 1, there is no surprise.

[ltseung888]

This file is the oscilloscope analysis file for the JT with a 2.3V 10F capacitor.


The readings were taken with both the AA battery and capacitor connected.  The capacitor was connected in parallel with the AA Battery.


The COP was 0.64.  No surprise.

[ltseung888]

This is the oscilloscope analysis file for the JT with the 2.3V 10F capacitor.


The readings were taken immediately after the AA battery was disconnected.


The COP increased to 0.73.  No surprise.