most simple design of a permanent magnet motor. what are the odds?

[ionizer]

thats a very strange argument you bring there. what does oscillation have to do with energy production? does water oscillate to produce energy in turbines? does wind oscillate when it blows through rotor blades? does fuel oscillate when you burn it?

if there is a field oscillating or not, there is a energy behind it otherwise it woudnt be there. the properties of lightwaves or radiowaves are not of my concern at this point. what we deal with is a force emitted from an unpowered object (permanent magnet). we call them field lines. they can be made visible through iron chippings. they interact with most metals through attraction but if you have another field line source they can interact with repulsion too. we discovered, that we can reroute field lines through soft metal with high permeability. we know field lines travel from the north to the south hemisphere of a magnet in a specific pattern. we know where the field lines have their highest density thus creating the highest possible force if challenged.

now if we approach a magnet with another magnet (north and south pole parallel arranged so that they repell each other) we experience a force that works against the force we use to bring the two magnets closer. Thats because the field lines of the two magnets start crossing and pushing against each other well because... they just dont like each other. now we try another angel to approach the two magnets but we experience the same force (not only we experience it, it IS the same force). now we try to get past the magnet as close as possible in a circular motion (like in stator/rotor setup). We try it from left, we try it from right but we always need the same amount of energy to get close to the static magnet. that means that the density of the field lines is absolutly equally distributed. now if we push the rotor magnet against his will beyond a certain tipping point which should be somewhere when the 2 magnets are parallel to each other he will suddenly sling in the direction we want to push him. now the field lines worked in our favor and we got some energy back which we used to get him to this tipping point. so what do we think about that? those stupid field lines dont want me to bring my rotor magnet to his tipping point. now we look back at what we have learned about magnetic fields and what we can do. hey, we can reroute field lines of permanent magnets. why dont we rerout field lines that complicate our approach to the tipping point? where there are no field lines that can cross each other there cant be any magnetic forces right? thats what we learned too! we also learned that field lines like to go from north hemisphere to south hermisphere. so why dont we help them out? just give them an easy way so they can get where they want to go until we have reached our tipping point.

Is it strange to see that when you move or oscillate the magnet near a wire you get electric energy and if you just lay it on top nothing happens?
Is it strange to see that induction only occurs when the field lines are moving?
I know the explenation that the mobile electrons do not move when the fieldlines are not moving but don't you like to see or find out more then that?

Radiowaves and lightwaves should be your concern since they are the same field lines but moving.
You can compare this to the strings on a guitar you need to pluck them in order to get sound out of the instrument.
Guitars do not play themselves neither do magnets move by themselves you need to move them in order to see any effect.
Guitars convert kinetic energy into soundwaves.
Coils and magnets can convert electric energy into kinetic enery and vice versa.
But there is more then meets the eye litterally.
You need to turn the generator to get electricity that is conversion between kinetic and electric energy.
A generator basically oscillates a magnet to move the fieldlines which in turn cause induction in the wires that are placed in the field.
A lightbulb converts electric energy into lightwaves which are electromagnetic waves of specific frequency's
The transmitting antenna pluck's the fieldlines that are present througout our universe.
This is why we are able to communicate with the curiosity rover on mars so far away.
These oscillating lines carry energy that induces a signal in the receiving tank circuit.
A static or non moving magnet is at the bottom or DC level of the electromagnetic spectrum.
It does not induce anything nor does it contain any energy.
I don't think it is strange at all.
And once more, tests exist that support these outcomes.
The fact that these magic motors ^never work can be concidered as one big clue too.
It's all a matter of perspection and looking at the results.

There is much, much more to be said here but these are the basic things most people are familiar with.

We got rid of the sticky spots many years ago but it is not the solution there still are and have to be other limiting factors.

However,
I was expecting something like which tests or what test results?

There are answers to be found in certain plasma setups, answers to be found in vacuum tube circuits and high voltage circuits,in inductive kickback setups and also in specific types of field line concentrating antenna's, answers in hard X ray generation and secondary emission or the photoelectric effect, in convection current setups where the energy is transferred without the use of metal conductors compared to conventional currents where the valence electrons are the charge carriers, there is a particle velocity difference between them that reveals interesting things not yet described in regular kinematics or any model i have seen so far, even in some regular magnetic setups pulsed at specific frequency's ,all these bit's and pieces point in the same direction, and there are more up to the point of gravitational interaction but that is not my primary direction i concider it a side route.

These are some of the things that go somewhat deeper into the real nature of (electro) magnetic fields.
They provide somewhat different answers and it just might be the missing part of your puzzle or it will make you understand why certain things can or can not work.
It deals with linking things together to see a larger picture.
A whole new world opens up which give rise to undeniable answers, things that will tell you which direction to look.
But there will always be more questions, don't get me wrong.

These test are not as easy as playing with magnets or building motors in the hope that they will magically start to turn without any energy source at hand.
It is not so strange that these tests require more then a set of magnets and these are not practiced by most inside the magic magnetic box thinkers.
Most people are stuck because they do not look any further, trying to work with what they observe neglecting the unseen.
I know a lot of people who build professional designed motors like you there are actually many of them, but i have never seen one work or it was a fake still driven by some external supply.

Once you decide to look further, answers will come to you naturally by discovering things that are new to you and your view on these fields changes each time you learn more.
But there are always things that repeat itself and you can find a pattern which reveals normally hidden hints and makes you think differently.

What if the field from both of your magnets is in reality just one field ?
How would you set up one field against itself to move itself?
While effects are only observed when you put in external energy indicating this very fact?
Do you really think that each antenna has it's own field or do you think all antennas transmit into the same field but at different frequency's?
Some of the answers are right in front of us but most people look around them for whatever reason may be.

Enough for now if you want to know more i could write down some experiments and we can all share some data as i am not much of a talker i like to see real results.

[kelloggs]

you talk about energy conversion but thats not the goal at all... we want energy gaining through tapping into potential energy sources

i have another example in my mind:

a permanent magnet energized generator like on a bicycle

i have read about those neodym magnets which currently have the strongest magnetic fields. what i have read too is that they come with different magnetic field intensity (labeled with N30-N52 or something like that). now we build two magnets with the same dimensions but different magnetic field intesities and put them into a generator. the magnet with the higher field intensity should produce a higher amount of energy. why? because we didnt change the physical setup. the magnets weigh both the same but the magnet with the higher field intensity has a higher energy potential.

[ionizer]

hope to see your device soon.

[Gwandau]

Actually repeatble tests support this dogmatic crap as you call it.
The problem is that everybody is still thinking inside the 'magic magnets' box if they were thinking outside they would see the bigger picture and finally start to understand how and why.
You should change the 'we' part to something like 'i' know too little about the source-dynamics behind magnetism.
There are people that know more and they usually gained this knowledge by doing multiple tests and comparing results myself included.
I am not sure in which year you got stuck but over here we move on foreward slowly doing tests and gaining more interesting results now and then.
Results that support this dogmatic crap which means there is actual evidence for those who want to know more and that is exactly what we need.
Test results do not lie no matter what you believe.
It seperates fact from fiction.
Trying to think outside of the box, and thinking outside of the box are not the same thing.
They don't even come close to one another.
You think about that.

ionizer,

your response is totally void of substance and does not mention anything new in the research. And this is of course fully natural since there still are no novel breakthroughs in this area of research. The only one you will fool are yourself.

You are just throwing around a bunch of vague hints that you and "others" knows more than the contemporary frontiers in electromagnetic research. It is certainly not very convincing and clearly shows that you are anything but scientific in your approach.

In the scientific community we need to validate our ideas with repeatable empirical results before being able to even hint at anything within the magnitude of the dynamics behind magnetism.

So if you believe you have found something that novel, and that you possess knowledge about the source dynamics in spite of all the efforts worldwide, please tell us and back it up with documented experiments. Walk your talk, or keep it to yourself instead of dis-spiriting people trying to break new ground. Otherwise your will just look a bit foolish.

And don't even try give me anything about the latest findings of the polarity dependent directional electron-spin detected within the crystal lattice being the cause behind magnetism. It is still just observed symptoms. And if you didn't know, symptoms are mere symptons and are as far from the actual source dynamics as your own self appointed insight in the matter.

The only one that hitherto has come up with a theory about the dynamics behind magnetism is Stephen Hawkings, who has presented a wild guess about magnetism being the result of virtual electrons doing a loop between our universe and a adjacent one, a theory that he was well aware of was a wild one.

Finally, thinking outside the box means just what it says, and implies a healthy disregard for anything inside the box. 
To tell anyone what is a "correct" outside the box thinking and what is not is preposterous and unbelievable stupid and only exposes the rigidity and conservatism of someone trapped inside he box.

Really tired of all you self appointed wiseacres in this forum. You are the exact opposite to what this forum stands for.
Go patronize somewhere else with your dis-spiriting unfounded naysaing.

Gwandau

[ionizer]

No i can not do that i am sorry.
I suppose you can always get a dog and try to tell him what to do.

I think i just said i could write down some of these experiments.
what else is needed? but look at you.

puh