Probality of God

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History.......

So Wilby, you have Goblins and Elves in your History books?
or are you saying History as It applies to "Christianity" is Open to Wilby's unique perspective?
And the basis of Christianity is all a myth?

Somebody 2000 years ago said
Hey !!  this is the guy !!  lets do a big write up on him and make him into a God ...
so we can control the Minions .........

?
Something like that??

No big battles no big victorys of war hero stuff ,just this Carpenter Guy and make him into a God?

Is that how you see it Will?


?

[WilbyInebriated]

History.......

So Wilby, you have Goblins and Elves in your History books?
or are you saying History as It applies to "Christianity" is Open to Wilby's unique perspective?
And the basis of Christianity is all a myth?



?

as it is written... who among you can deny the flame imperishable?

The Ainulindalë

    * There was Eru, the One, who in Arda is called Ilúvatar; and he made first the Ainur, the Holy Ones, that were the offspring of his thought, and they were with him before aught else was made. And he spoke to them, propounding to them themes of music; and they sang before him, and he was glad.

    * For a long while they sang only each alone, or but few together, while the rest hearkened; for each comprehended only that part of the mind of Ilúvatar from which he came, and in the understanding of their brethren they grew but slowly. Yet ever as they listened they came to deeper understanding, and increased in unison and harmony.

    * Then Ilúvatar said to them: 'Of the theme that I have declared to you, I will now that ye make in harmony together a Great Music. And since I have kindled you with the Flame Imperishable, ye shall show forth your powers in adorning this theme, each with his own thoughts and devices, if he will. But I will sit and hearken, and be glad that through you great beauty has been wakened into song.'

    * It seemed at last that there were two musics progressing at one time before the seat of Ilúvatar, and they were utterly at variance. The one was deep and wide and beautiful, but slow and blended with an immeasurable sorrow, from which its beauty chiefly came. The other had now achieved a unity of its own; but it was loud, and vain, and endlessly repeated; and it had little harmony, but rather a clamorous unison as of many trumpets braying upon a few notes. And it essayed to drown the other music by the violence of its voice, but it seemed that its most triumphant notes were taken by the other and woven into its own solemn pattern.

    * The Ainur know much of what was, and is, and is to come, and few things are unseen by them. Yet some things there are that they cannot see, neither alone nor taking counsel together; for to none but himself has Ilúvatar revealed all that he has in store, and in every age there come forth things that are new and have no foretelling, for they do not proceed from the past.

    * Now the Children of Ilúvatar are Elves and Men, the Firstborn and the Followers. And amid all the splendours of the World, its vast halls and spaces, and its wheeling fires, Ilúvatar chose a place for their habitation in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the innumerable stars.

    * 'I know the desire of your minds that what ye have seen should verily be, not only in your thought, but even as ye yourselves are, and yet other. Therefore I say: Eä! Let these things Be! And I will send forth into the Void the Flame Imperishable, and it shall be at the heart of the World, and the World shall Be; and those of you that will may go down into it. And suddenly the Ainur saw afar off a light, as it were a cloud with a living heart of flame; and they knew that this was no vision only, but that Ilúvatar had made a new thing: Eä, the World that Is.

    * Thus it came to pass that of the Ainur some abode still with Ilúvatar beyond the confines of the World; but others, and among them many of the greatest and most fair, took the leave of Ilúvatar and descended into it. But this condition Ilúvatar made, or it is the necessity of their love, that their power should thenceforward be contained and bounded in the World, to be within it for ever, until it is complete, so that they are its life and it is theirs. And therefore they are named the Valar, the Powers of the World.

    * When the Valar entered into Eä they were at first astounded and at a loss, for it was as if naught was yet made which they had seen in vision, and all was but on point to begin and yet unshaped, and it was dark. For the Great Music had been but the growth and flowering of thought in the Tuneless Halls, and the Vision only a foreshowing; but now they had entered in at the beginning of Time, and the Valar perceived that the World had been but foreshadowed and foresung, and they must achieve it. So began their great labours in wastes unmeasured and unexplored, and in ages uncounted and forgotten, until in the Deeps of Time and in the midst of the vast halls of Eä there came to be that hour and that place where was made the habitation of the Children of Ilúvatar.

    * And the Valar drew unto them many companions, some less, some well nigh as great as themselves, and they laboured together in the ordering of the Earth and the curbing of its tumults.

[WilbyInebriated]

as it is written...

The Valaquenta

    * In the beginning Eru, the One, who in the Elvish tongue is named Ilúvatar, made the Ainur of his thought; and they made a great Music before him. In this Music the World was begun; for Ilúvatar made visible the song of the Ainur, and they beheld it as a light in the darkness. And many among them became enamoured of its beauty, and of its history which they saw beginning and unfolding as in a vision. Therefore Ilúvatar gave to their vision Being, and set it amid the Void, and the Secret Fire was sent to burn at the heart of the World; and it was called Eä.

    * Those of the Ainur who desired it arose and entered into the World at the beginning of Time; and it was their task to achieve it, and by their labours to fulfil the vision which they had seen. Long they laboured in the regions of Eä, which are vast beyond the thought of Elves and Men, until in the time appointed was made Arda, the Kingdom of Earth. Then they put on the raiment of Earth and descended into it, and dwelt therein.

    * The Great among these spirits the Elves name the Valar, the Powers of Arda, and Men have often called them gods.

    * Last of all is set the name of Melkor, He who arises in Might. But that name he has forfeited; and the Noldor, who among the Elves suffered most from his malice, will not utter it, and they name him Morgoth, the Dark Enemy of the World.

    * From splendour he fell through arrogance to contempt for all things save himself, a spirit wasteful and pitiless. Understanding he turned to subtlety in perverting to his own will all that he would use, until he became a liar without shame. He began with the desire of Light, but when he could not possess it for himself alone, he descended through fire and wrath into a great burning, down into Darkness. And darkness he used most in his evil works upon Arda, and filled it with fear for all living things.

    * Among those of his servants that have names the greatest was that spirit whom the Eldar called Sauron, or Gorthaur the Cruel.

[Magluvin]

you're the one claiming it's existence... prove it exists... until you do, your godfairy is as imaginary as leprechauns, elves and hobgoblins.  idiot.

magudas iscariot... what are the methods you used to prove your godfairy real? what are the methods you used to disprove all the other godfairies?

your hypocrisy nourishes me...

Dont turn it around on me, Wilby'is'inebriated. Probably. Like thats not part of your problem.
I dont have to prove anything to anyone. Dont have to. You could prove it yourself. But you wont. Its easy to see. Your too far gone. Like the apostles example, 'we' should move on as too much time has been spent on your 5th grade bully tactics. Grow up.

"what are the methods you used to disprove all the other godfairies?"

Oh, did I say that I made choices between different gods in my life?  I dont remember that. Show me where I said that and we can see how good your facts really are. You getting sharper and more credible every post. 

Magzimus Leviticus

[WilbyInebriated]

Dont turn it around on me, Wilby'is'inebriated. Probably. Like thats not part of your problem.
I dont have to prove anything to anyone. Dont have to. You could prove it yourself. But you wont. Its easy to see. Your too far gone. Like the apostles example, 'we' should move on as too much time has been spent on your 5th grade bully tactics. Grow up.

"what are the methods you used to disprove all the other godfairies?"

Oh, did I say that I made choices between different gods in my life?  I dont remember that. Show me where I said that and we can see how good your facts really are. You getting sharper and more credible every post. 

Magzimus Leviticus

don't turn it around on you?  YOU PRETENTIOUS SANCTIMONIOUS FAITHER IT IS YOU WHO HAS "TURNED IT AROUND ON ME".

you have no extant material evidence for your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend... just like elves and hobgoblins.

you have not a logical proof for the existence of your imaginary godfairy savior/creator friend... just like elves and hobgoblins.

i have repeatedly asked you for the above and you repeatedly REFUSE to present them.

bully: some idiot xian faither calling non-faithers  "sinners".


thank you AGAIN for ANOTHER tacit admission that your godfairy is imaginary...  idiot.

oh, did i say that you said you made choices between different gods in your life?  i don't remember that... show me where i said that and we can see how good your facts really are. you're getting more idiotic and more credulous with every post.