Probality of God

[eatenbyagrue]

You are showing all kinds of signs of being someone that think he actually knows. A believer does not know, that's the very definition of belief. The moment you believe that you know, you have become mentally instable.

Wow, not wanting to insult your capacity for thought and reason, but this has got to be the strangest three comments I have ever read, strung together.  First, off, I actually DO KNOW, because I KNOW the Lord Jesus Christ.  Yes, it is true, I have met him and walked with him, the Father, and been filled with His Holy Spirit for over 30 years now.  I understand that you all can't fathom that, and have no spiritual understanding of what in the world I am saying, but please try. 

A believer in Christ, by the very definition is someone who knows that he knows.  You see, we believers in Christ, know that we know that we know that we have eternal life and will enter to heaven.  We know that we have been delivered from death, hell and the grave.  And you see, if a "so called" believer is not sure, then THEY are nor really a believer!   So yes, you have that one directly reversed.   (http://www.overunity.com/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)

Mentally unstable eh?  LOL  another insult from my "humble" friend.  Jesus either really IS who he says he IS, or he is a liar.  I have found out that he really IS who he says he IS.  I want the readers, even if just one, to see and allow the Lord, by his Spirit to give to them understanding.

Bruce, in your zeal, you are missing Gwandau's point.  You are going on faith that the Bible is true and that voice inside your head is Jesus and not just you talking to yourself and deluding yourself in this way.

Your faith is a personal choice, but you should not mistake it for knowledge, i.e. true belief.  Belief is not a choice.  You cannot choose to believe - you are either persuaded by the evidence or you are not.  The moment you do choose to be persuaded by weak evidence, you do cross the line into mental instability.  You have basically been brainwashed by your religious social circle into believing that what you are experiencing is Jesus.

But the next time you talk to Jesus, do ask him why he is OK with slavery, why he sent the Tsunami to kill 100K plus Indonesians, and why he was too busy to stop the Nazis from killing 6 million plus Jews.

[WilbyInebriated]

I am also a liar.

finally some ACTUAL truth from brucetard...

[SchubertReijiMaigo]

OMG, A religion topic on a science forum, OK, fine.
BTW, no need to be a believer (even if i'm one) to see that the whole human civilization is going to the toilet: immorality, decadence, war, violence, economic collapse, materialism, hedonism, look like a good doomsday scenario, it's obvious that we are going to the wall at 100 mph, believer or not...


Look like the Sodome and Gomorrah, Babylon scenario, you can add the fall of the Roman Empire with their sexual decadence and their fiat money: the gold coin was melted with other metals in order to "create" more money with the same amount of gold, until nobody worked with Roman coins. (Yeah some kind of FED existed 2000 years ago LOL) .
Do the same comparison with the US dollar and our modern civilization...

Those who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it

That just what I see...

[Bruce_TPU]

Bruce, in your zeal, you are missing Gwandau's point.  You are going on faith that the Bible is true and that voice inside your head is Jesus and not just you talking to yourself and deluding yourself in this way.

Your faith is a personal choice, but you should not mistake it for knowledge, i.e. true belief.  Belief is not a choice.  You cannot choose to believe - you are either persuaded by the evidence or you are not.  The moment you do choose to be persuaded by weak evidence, you do cross the line into mental instability.  You have basically been brainwashed by your religious social circle into believing that what you are experiencing is Jesus.

I totally disagree with this argument.  Faith is a choice.  Belief, which is faith is also a choice.  If I say that I am a male, you have a choice, to believe me or not.  You may see some things in how I write or in my name that would help you make up your mind.  Faith is a choice.  And when I first heard the Good News of Jesus Christ, I mixed that hearing with faith/belief, and AFTER I did that, I had the experience.  The worldy and unbelieving, want the EXPERIENCE first, and THEN they will believe.  Sorry, but this is NOT how the Kingdom of God works!  It is reversed.  Faith FIRST and THEN experience.  But the experience is JUST as valid!  This is why we believers get so tickled when you all try to say it is just in our head, etc,. add nausua!  LOL  Because our EXPERIENCE is more than real.  But only came after we first had faith!


But the next time you talk to Jesus, do ask him why he is OK with slavery, why he sent the Tsunami to kill 100K plus Indonesians, and why he was too busy to stop the Nazis from killing 6 million plus Jews.


God is NOT okay with ANY of the evil that exists on this planet, nor with the destruction of human life.  Satan is the god of this world, until which time Jesus establishes HIS kindom.  His Kingdom comes, THEN his will will be done.  This is why in Matthew 6, we are instructed to pray the Lord's prayer.  "...Thy Kingdom come (his Kindom is only in the hearts of His people at present, but one day soon will be a PHYSICAL Kingdom on this earth.) thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. (His will IS done in Heaven, but on earth, at present, His will is NOT done.)"

This earth is cursed with a curse, since the fall of man, with original sin, in the Garden of Eden.  BUT the dominions of this world, the Kingdoms of this world will become the Kingdoms of our God and of his Christ, and He shall reign over them forever and ever.  So be it!

Mankind is wicked and perverse, and will continue to slaughter his fellow man.  This is the result of sin and evil rooted in every heart of man.  These things you have listed are but the BEGINNING of sorrows, for what is coming upon this earth.  For there is a 7 year period of tribulation coming to this earth the such as man has never seen and that you could scarce imagine.  And if the Lord had not shortened those day to just seven years, there would be NO flesh saved!  No, NOW is the time to repent!  Today is the day of salvation.  Do not neglect so great a salvation as what he now offers! 

[eatenbyagrue]

God is NOT okay with ANY of the evil that exists on this planet, nor with the destruction of human life.

Ah, but God is OK with slavery.  The Old Testament, in Deuteronomy, Exodus, Leviticus, is full of talk about it.  It is OK to own slaves, as long as you do not beat them too severely, and so forth.  Even teh 10th commandment makes a reference to slaves (not coveting thy neighbor's).

And in the New Testament, Jesus says many times that the Old Testament needs to be honored.  For example, John 10:35 - "The Scripture cannot be set aside".  In Matthew 5:18 - "For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished."

So Jesus must be OK with slavery.

And even in the New Testament, our holy text, in Paul's Letter to Philemon, Paul returns the slave Onesimus to Philemon.  Paul makes no attempt to free the slave, but keeps the status quo.

So again, please, next time you speak with Jesus, ask him why he is OK with slavery.