Probality of God

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"We are stardust" by Joni Mitchell, making a live tribute to the grand happening of Woodstock 1970

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aOGnVKWbwc

Gwandau

Yeah, I remember that song now that you've mentioned it. Also Crosby Stills Nash & Young did a song back in the 70's, I think it was called "Back to the Garden".

Goes something like, "We are star dust, we are golden and we've got to get ourselves back to the garden"

Cheers

[Qwert]

You can forget paypal, as Qwert was correct.  I forgive that debt.  And would forgive the fraud with an apology.

If I was correct, there is no room for any additional conditions (apology?). At least, my (former) denomination interprets it like that. Also, there is no room for any grumble.

[Magluvin]

We have barely begun to read it.

Yet you think you have it all figured out. Well you better tell them before they have to read any further.    Its too bad that you are well read(as you say) in the Bible.

I suppose just reading it and making judgement on it before you actually 'listened' to what it says to you, happens for many. You did read that you have to ask for the holy spirit in order for you to understand it correctly, didnt you?  But maybe you just read it like its just a story.

I didnt read it like its just a story. Years ago I did. In my 30s, I was in a position that I was very interested in finding the truth. I took it for what it tells me. I did. And I received.

Your right. I cannot prove it to you with solid earthly evidence. But you cannot see that would be too easy if you know what the Bible says

You portray it like if there is a God, then that God should do things by your rules, the way you think things should be. Free will. Lucifer has free will and many followers. 

If you read the Bible, you would know that the soul has free will, to believe what ever they wish. It is written that some souls will be saved and some not, totally your choice, being that free will can become a believer or not being a believer, whichever one decides to go, with their free will.

Believing is not just guessing and taking that direction. In fact the real believing comes when you know you are experiencing something that is not of this 'life as you know it' And it doesnt go away. some people do walk away from it, after some time. They made a choice even though they 'know' the truth. Free will.  The Bible tells us that the thoughts in our heads are not always our own. In fact it says that some thoughts may seem as though the come from God, but really they are coming from somewhere else. We have to determine what is right and what is wrong. Sometimes we dont see so well. But is you have the holy spirit, its like a new set of glasses.  Really.    Big difference. Again, not perfect, still a sinner, but soo much better. Some might say well why does it matter if we sin since Jesus dies for our sins? It doesnt. But by the level of sins one commits can be a good determination if the persons faith is true or not. Just because some fake it, doesnt mean that others are.

Im no where near saying Im perfect, as nobody is.  But this has made me better than I was. The contrast from then till now is blinding.

I was there. Id read books on hypnosis and out of body experiences. Now that stuff interests me the least bit. I know that hypnosis works and can be dangerous in the wrong hands. Out of body, never really had that happen, lets say in the sense of how it is explained, as I had read quite a bit about it.

I dont label myself with a particular church. The Bible is the ultimate authority. Nobody had to sell it to me. I figured it out without being part of an affiliation.. And so can you. Ya just have to want it bad enough. 

Thats the best way I can put it for now. Gotta git to bed soon.

I dont want to argue. I am willing to have decent conversation without the belittling. I do feel the need to defend my friends in God if the attacks are harsh for no apparent reasons other than to just bully and be abusive. Im a fighter. But I pull a LOT of punches.  You know a lot of it is unnecessary. You know what is right and wrong. You know what decency is. 

Mags

[TinselKoala]

OK, Bruce_TPU, you can blame me for your failure to produce an impossible device. I don't mind, much. You really should look deeply into your own soul, though, to find why you have such a strong need that you IGNORE what the builder and presenter of such a device tells you, and go off on your own interpretation, then blame the builder for your failures.

Suppose someone shows you a suit with wings, and demonstrates it flapping. He tells you right up front that this suit, in spite of its wonderful looking wings and all the flapping, can never make you fly. But you see only the flapping and you ignore what you are told, you build a replica of the suit and strap it on and go jump off a building, flapping like crazy, and hurt yourself. Who is responsible?

By the way.... had much success with the TPU, have you?

Ah... and Chet. I wouldn't even be on this forum if it weren't for you. Should I be grateful? Sometimes I wonder.

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The fallen ones who abandoned the heavens to have intercourse with the daughters of men which produced an impious offspring, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVgnvt1YaDc (video footage of this impious offspring)

Genesis 6:4
⁴There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Book of Enoch, Chapter 12
¹Before all these things Enoch was concealed; nor did any one of the sons of men know where he was concealed, where he had been, and what had happened. ²He was wholly engaged with the holy ones, and with the Watchers in his days. ³I, Enoch, was blessing the great Lord and King of peace. ⁴And behold the Watchers called me Enoch the scribe. ⁵Then the Lord said to me: Enoch, scribe of righteousness, go tell the Watchers of heaven, who have deserted the lofty sky, and their holy everlasting station, who have been polluted with women. ⁶And have done as the sons of men do, by taking to themselves wives, and who have been greatly corrupted on the earth; ⁷That on the earth they shall never obtain peace and remission of sin. For they shall not rejoice in their offspring; they shall behold the slaughter of their beloved; shall lament for the destruction of their sons; and shall petition for ever; but shall not obtain mercy and peace.

Gravock