Probality of God

[eatenbyagrue]

All these things  show the  inability of a person to realize God and it need not   necessarily  mean that God does not exist.     Buddha left  his crown, his wife and son, went  to  forest, sat under  a tree,  meditated and realized God.    Can you do that?   Unless  you follow his path  and cross verify,  you cannot say that he is wrong.

1), 2), 3)
You know very well that  these are only vague answers  and do not completely explain the nature of the universe.   

You are missing a crucial point in all this.  Of course nothing presented here necessarily means that god does not exist.  If, for example, god exists outside our universe, we have no way to perceive this, so we cannot say one way or the other.

The better question is why do you think god exists?  All you have raised are things you are not able to explain.  But that means nothing except that you cannot explain them.  Period.

[TechStuf]

http://www.amazon.com/Probability-God-Simple-Calculation-Ultimate/dp/1400054788


Great read!


http://www.godsci.com/gs/new/finetuning.html


If you can read this, I can prove God exists:


http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/read-prove-god-exists/


Can coherent Code write itself?


http://www.ucg.org/science/dna-tiny-code-thats-toppling-evolution/




His name is Jesus...




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQh1cjZLmUo




Blessings in Yahshua, Jesus Christ

[CuriousChris]

Completely unique !
Chris don't take my comments the wrong way ,A lot of what you fellows say makes complete sense .
Are you happy ?
  Who makes your rules to live by? Are you socialist? [you trust that [atheist Gov't]?].
  To me personally "the probability of God" has a lot to do with the fact that we are all still here...knowing what we do about our nature ,and knowing we have had the ability to annihilate the planet for 70 odd years,or poison on almost every imaginable level chem warfare genetics etc etc .
But we're still here ,to my way of thinking VERY high probability of someone else preventing that .
I asked your friends what they believe in.
Where on earth can you point and say "THIS" see this right here??? !!
Thats it ...that works......!!
otherwise it starts to sound like La La Land.......
thx
Chet
 

Nothing unique about me I can tell you. You speak as if this is something you have not heard nor thought about before. I suggest you take the time to be curious.

Now don't take this the wrong way

Not being able to devoid yourself of ancient superstitions is the basis for most religions and so is the need to 'belong'.

These twin needs drive such statements like "why are we here?" "If you don't believe in god who do you believe in?"

These are unnecessary constraints. I don't "believe in" anything or any one. I like all of us try to determine right from wrong and do the best I can by myself and those around me. I mostly fail on the doing right by myself part though. Its my nature. But I don't need to point to anything and say I believe in THIS. That's not a weakness I have and if I did I might be wrong. Instead I point at things and say I'd like to understand this I'd like to know about that. 

When I try to understand the human condition I look back into the past. And I mean way back. The only thing that separates us from animals is our brain. It was developed as a survival technique and it worked really well. But don't think we were the only species to develop it. Our cousins the Neanderthal's also developed it. but we were the only ones to survive. we did it better than neanderthals. As humans we have always wanted to know more. That's why you are on this forum and not tending to potted flowers (as well as tending to potted flowers?) This is a need that drives us. so we ask. We ask those whom we trust to know better to tell us.

But they don't know either There was no understanding od stars and what the sun was nor why on a cold day our breathe is visible, so they fall back to one of the most basic human directives. If you don't know the answer. "Make shit up" I call this the MSU principle. Thus was formed religion. The other driving need is the one to belong, We are after all a herding creature. so we bond into groups. They are called churches now.
But each group has a slightly different set of beliefs so they separate. Therefore we have many different religions and societal groupings.


"Who makes your rules to live by?"
This question is the most troubling question of all. People who are religiously introverted can't fathom that the rules they live by are mostly the same rules everyone else lives by. These rules came about by the way we live. which is in groups or herds (yes I can feel you squirm as I say that). These rules are not given to us by a deity they are given to us by common sense. by the need to get along and by maintaining the health of the group as a whole.

To beleive that without religiion society will fall into anarchy is actually the most insulting belief religions have. BUT ITS NECESSARY TO KEEP YOU IN CHECK. That's why you are taught this over and over. that's why the government and non religious people become your enemy or those to be pitied and perhaps saved. That's how control is maintained over members of a religion. It is fear that is used as a weapon against you. If you were taught that hey you don't need us to stay on the 'path' many would just wander away. and then who does the tithing?

You of course will totally fail to grasp that! your questions of me show that you are unable to comprehend what I am saying. Its like asking a fish how he can swim. He doesn't know he just does. He knows he is in water. and he knows if he stays out too long he will die. but ask a fish what water is and he cannot tell you. For a fish it just is.

Living within those boundaries is the easy way out.

Of course what I wrote above is very simplistic.


Oh Yeah and we are "still here" not because of God but in spite of God. Most wars are started by ideological differences and most of them are rooted in religion. But overall we are a big herd (go on squirm) and we know that to unleash the weapons our brains have devised will kill the herd.

So lets hope the followers of God don't have their way. We are doomed if they do.

[CuriousChris]

All these things  show the  inability of a person to realize God and it need not   necessarily  mean that God does not exist.     Buddha left  his crown, his wife and son, went  to  forest, sat under  a tree,  meditated and realized God.    Can you do that?   Unless  you follow his path  and cross verify,  you cannot say that he is wrong.

I meditated and found the concept of god wanting, Can you do that?

1), 2), 3)
You know very well that  these are only vague answers  and do not completely explain the nature of the universe.    Even a great scientist like Einstein had failed to explain the complete nature of matter and field.   We cannot say that Einstein was not a learned person and I cannot believe that ‘CC’ is more ‘learned’  than Einstein.   Only  ‘half learned’   people with ‘half baked’  knowledge come to immediate conclusion.    A genuine person will not come to conclusion unless he makes sure.

Vague well yes of course. No one alive can explain the universe. you are again retreating to the god of the gaps. Its a comfortable place to be, isnt it?

Personally I would be mortified if we knew everything. What a boring life it would be.

4)  All animals have the spirit.      I weigh 75Kgs.     I can stand firmly on ground.   If you  purchase  75Kgs  of  flesh,  fix bones and other  things on it and cover it with a thin polythene sheet  like skin,  will it stand firmly on ground?   Even four legged animals like  dog, cow, elephant etc.,   which stand firmly  on ground when alive,  fall on to the ground  when they die.   Can you make a dead body of a human or  four legged animals to stand firmly on ground?    Even if  you adjust the center of gravity and  make them to stand on ground,  a slight push is enough to make them fall again.   It shows a clear cut difference between the living and dead  and also implies that a sort of living force  or spirit is required to keep the body functioning.    Without spirit body cannot function.  (IT IS IMPOSSIBLE)

LOL am I talking to an eight year old?

Look up homeostasis and learn something instead of parroting others.

Look at this while you are at it. the opposite. an animal thought to possibly be immortal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_nutricula

You speak like most religious zealots. Unable to move out of the 18th century. hurry along now we are way ahead of you.

5)  The basic purpose of life is evolution of the spirit.    The body is a cluster of different cells  which is just a waste.    You can remove few stem cells  from the body and make thousands of such    bodies by cloning.   From  one ‘CC’  we can make thousands of ‘CC’s.    You have to make  use of the body  for evolution of the spirit  to  go  to a higher place in the heaven  when you leave this earth.   A  person without  spiritual attachment  is more or less like an animal  and  his life itself is a waste.

6)  I said the ‘general structure’  of  brain of all humans  is the same.    A doctor prescribes medicine based on general structure of the body.    Can a doctor study  the body and brain structure  of all 4000 million people on this earth to prescribe  medicine based on their  ‘unique’  body and brain structure?

5/
  a/ Says who?
  b/ Cloning is a testament to mans ingenuity, nothing else.

6/ Your lack of medical knowledge is astounding. Most medicines are generalised otherwise they would adversely effect anyone the medicine is not designed for. Have you never been told do not take medicine prescribed for someone else. We are all different which is exactly why they say that. Of course we are all the same as well. Now I bet that confuses you doesn't it.

Based on my knowledge I  can formulate my own religion  only for myself  to live happily and evolve myself  and not  for others.     I am not that much arrogant  to call myself God.

So you are living proof of what I say then. for you religion is not about God its about you. therefore you'll make god fit whatever it is you want him to fit. and to make yourself happy you'll call it 'evolution of the spirit'

Your points are trivial and revolve around nitpicking, but whatever makes you happy.

[ramset]

Chris
Thanks again for your reply,And from your perspective it makes sense ,and in a lot of ways mine too.....
There's always "Buts".......If you Don't know already I work with addicts and I teach them the 12 step program.The results are amazing.......

But we won't talk about that "Again".Perhaps we should talk about the epidemic of "drugs" and abuse all accross the spectrum in our society,Peeps are freekin out [quietly] this "everyman for himself" thing isn't cutting it,we are getting further and further away from being a "herd" where we see each other and interact on a daily basis,I can't even remember the last time I saw Kids playing together outside? Our kids are in the house playing Video games ...being Desensitized to violence and suffering at an astounding rate.[subject to HUGE peer pressure if they don't].

Basically Chris ...The lack of Character and morals and values[family] is manifeating itself into the REALITY of what a world like the one you say is possible ......actually looks like,     Cut out God [the three above] from your society and put back What?
I relate to your Nature completely , however thats just "You" ,maybe there are others[ofcourse] ,hinging societys future on "well I can do it".why can't you .......RISKY !! One thing is obvious   changes are happening and they are happening fast
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  Regarding the Chem,biological Nuclear Etc Warfare and Why we are still all here? I put it on the same page as why in a world that is nothing more than evolution...Why isn't there one example of anything, anywhere that lives forever?[yet]
A design feature ............[the probability of God !:,]
Oh and the Gaps get bigger the more we learn.....
Chris your a cool guy, Thanks for talking.
Chet