Probality of God

[Qwert]

\Several  Nobel prize  winner  scientists have attended  séances  and paranormal spots  and taken photographs  of spirits.    You cannot say that they are all hysterical.   


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katie_King_%28spirit%29
               
http://www.mcremo.com/paranormal.html   

You better  do some research work  before making  hysterical  comments

In Wikipedia there is also "paranormal" enter. Looks like "paranormal" is something potentially "normal", only just UNKNOWN; thus it's not necessarily prove for god existence. Some religious texts say that some even good deeds may come from evil, not from god (anyway, I can consider a form of a god's existence but certainly I don't consider an existence of an evil separated from that god; in fact, the Bible also doesn't read it like that though I consider the Bible like any other book written by any human - meaning - son / daughter of God).

[ramset]

RE:
"You shall know them by their Works"

I appologize to those that "WorK' ,share and help others here that are not "Faithers".


It was not my intent to insult .

I noticed that a certain person in particular ,with very "independent" beliefs
has been Teaching in a very patient and Selfless manner.

This skill of selfless Teaching will become very important in the near future.
And once again my Appologies.

Thx
Chet

[Ghost]

The Science of Mind
by Ernest Shurtleff Holmes
[1926]
http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/som/index.htm

[Bruce_TPU]

My answers in bold!

This raises more questions than it answers.  God is the creator of all things and is all knowing.  Therefore god created Lucifer with the knowledge of what he would do and what effect it would have on man, but he went ahead and created it anyway.  God is responsible for all things, and nothing happens without his knowing, so, by creating Lucifer and allowing him to exist, with the full knowledge of what would happen, he created the sin.  Why did he do this?

Ahh, a wonderfully thought out question!  First, let me correct a few things you mention.  God KNOWS all things, but is not responsible for all things.  This too is a misnomer.  Let me give you a few examples.  First you must understand about God's will, and that His will, (His purpose and desire) is NOT always accomplished to date, but their is a new world coming in which His will shall always come to pass.  Lucifer was created for the purpose (purpose is God's will) of leading the worship of Heaven.  He was a Cherub, with instruments built into his very body, beautiful and holy.  But sin was first found in Lucifer when the seed of pride took root and grew, and he said "I Will" six times to God.  "I will" moves you from God's purpose for your life to that of your own, and it is pride which is sin.  Now, you can argue that God knew that was going to happen, but remember, God does not want robots, but allows free will for His creation.  Because God is Holy and Just, this is the only condition in which any creation could be created.  Satan (New name of Lucifer, meaning "Deceiver") made his choice.  We must now make ours.  As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord!  "Who are thou oh clay, to say to the potter, why have you made me such and such?  Do you not know that the Potter has power over the clay to make it as he sees fit?"  "Do you not know that in every great house there are vessels made unto honor and some vessels made unto dishonor?  Be sure that you are a vessel of honor, to bring glory to he who created thee."  One more example, is that it is "God's will that none should perish, but that all men should be saved."  God's purpose and desire is for man NOT to perish!  But will some perish from doubt and unbelief?  Why yes, of course.  But is that God's will, desire and purpose for them?  Absolutely Not!  So then why doesn't God intervene to prevent them from perishing?  He has, in sending His Son, so that whosover would call upon His name, the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, would not perish, but have eternal life.  God will not MAKE them believe, for it must be faith from their heart.  Free will, freedom of choice once again.  This is why he does not just have an angel lift an unbeliever into the air to the height of say 10,000 feet and say, "repent, believe or be dropped!"  LOL  This would hardly be faith.  That kind of relationship would be extrensic and not intrensic by faith, as the Lord desires.


I have also just learned that sins are apparently passed on from parents to innocent children.  Is this sort of like North Korea, where three generations are imprisoned (one's children and parents), for a political transgression.  Actually, it is worse than North Korea.  There it only goes to three generations.  With god, in his infinite wisdom, apparently everyone is guilty.

This too is another outstanding question!  In the Old Testament, the sins of the Father were passed to the second and to the third generation.  Again this was a statement or a condition of fact, not a Judgement from God.  This passing of sins, generationaly, or a generational curse, again is a consequence (to every action there is an equal or opposite reaction).  Allow me to once again give you an example of this.  A father is abusive physically to his children.  Because of unforgiveness in their hearts, they grow up to become abusive to their own children.  A parent(s) are alcoholics, and their children grow up to become and mimic the very thing that they hated in their parents.  This too is a result and consequence of that "sin nature" at work in us.  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ who has freed us from the slavery of sin and has loosed those chains from us.  In the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, by the power and anointing of His Holy Spirit, those generational curses are broken!  For this purpose was the Son of God manifest, to destroy the works of the devil! 

Also, I am curious about this mercy.  Obviously, since god controls all things, he controls hell, where there is eternal torment for those guilty of the heinous sin of refusing to believe in him on bad evidence, and apparently this sin is worthy of eternal torture. Not a year, not 100 years, not 1000 years, but eternal.  This is quite possibly the worst thing that could possibly happen, and god allows this to happen for seemingly minor infractions.  Tell me again about his eternal mercy, I am confused on that part.  If he did not want anyone to perish, he could simply allow everyone to heaven.  Why not?  Why hold this grudge?  What happened to infinitely merciful?  If one is infinitely merciful, as I understand god to be, should he not forgive people the simple mistake of being born in the wrong hemisphere and therefore believing in the wrong deity.

A third well thought question from the heart, to be commended!  Hell as I mention prior posts, was created for the Devil (Lucifer, Satan) and for his minions.  They are not yet there, nor do they "rule Hell" as the rock bands and Hollywood would have the uninformed to think.  Hell is first and foremost a place "void" of God.  God and Sin do not mix.  God is Light and in him is no shadow of turning.  Can one mix bright light and darkness?  Can both occupy the same space at the same moment of time?  For where there is darkness, and light comes forth, the darkness flees.  God in His Holiness is the brightest of lights, and sin, (not something DONE!  But a condition of our heart we are born with and into.  Like a blood disease.) is the blackest of night.  God is a God of Love but also a God of Justice.  Sin was found in the heart FIRST of Satan and his followers.  When man, through Adam sinned, all men born through Adam were born sinners.  This condition of our blood could not be changed.  No matter how "good" or "religious" a man was, this sin nature borne of our heart was always there.  In the old Testament the sacrifice of bulls and goats, simply "covered over" until the Lord himself would come as the Lamb of God, who Himself taketh away the sins of man.  Our sin IS forgiven.  He paid a debt He did not owe.  I owed a debt I could not pay!  But through faith in the Holy name of Jesus the Christ (Messiah) the saviour of the world, I have been redeemed, ransomed.  To put it another way, Satan, the god of this world (small g) for the time being, is our "natural father".  We were born into sin and needed our souls ransomed, redeemed.  This then allows us to be transformed, passing from death unto life.  I was blind but now I see.  I was dead but now I live!  "Truly, truly I say unto you, that unless a man be born-again, he shall in now wise enter into the Kingdom of God."


And what is with this blood sacrifice business?  If this was practiced in our society, we would be abhorred by it.   And how exactly does one atone for one's crime by slaughtering an innocent goat, or sheep or faithful dog?  What did the animal do?  How is this justice?  Why was god so thirsty for blood that apparently anyone's blood would do?  Why accept the blood of an innocent animal as atonement for the crime by a knowing and reasoning human evildoer?  Can you imagine what that goat or sheep or poor puppy is thinking as it is about to be killed (probably thinking "what did I do?")  And why wait for Jesus's coming to change these bloodthirsty rules.  If blood sacrifice was wrong then, does that mean god was wrong and changed his mind.   And why would god change his mind?  Is he not infinitely wise, so should he not always make the correct decision the first time?

This hopefully was answered above.


Also, finally, how do you even know any of this is true.  Please do not tell me the Bible, as I can show you some books about Poseidon and Zeus.

Ahh, for this question is the crux of the matter.... "How do I know this is true?"  Well, it is NOT because I one day picked up a book and started reading.  No, you must understand, that I have PERSONALLY met the author of the Bible, the LIVING Word of God, the Lord Jesus Christ.  He showed me His POWER, and His power is the power to save me, to change me, to set me free.  That very first time I was introduced to my Lord, He filled my soul with light, in a moment's time.  He unburdened me of my lifetime of sin and removed it as far from me as the east is from the west.  It was if a thousand pounds had been lifted off of my shoulders, and I had not even known they were there!  Call upon the name of the Lord Jesus, and he will show himself real on your behalf.  Then, as I looked back before that day, I could see His gentle fingerprints upon my life, ever guiding me to that place of faith.  Open your heart to Him!   "The Kingdom of God is not in word, but in Power!"  The power of God to change lives accross this globe.  "Oh taste of the Lord and see that he is good!"

[Gwandau]

while i agree with most of what you wrote, the above is asinine... the fact that the higgs boson, though predicted, remains undiscovered does not make the world non physical.

the only thing it does is weaken the THEORY of the standard model.

WilbyInebriated,

You are absolutely correct, but my comment was deliberately asinine, since it was reffering to the asinine qualities of the Standard Model.

Seen from the perspective of The Standard Model, without the Higgs boson, the universe would have no physical matter, since without a Higgs field there would not be any electroweak symmetry breaking (EWSB) making particles gain its mass properties.

But since the quantum theory is a purely mathematically based physics theory still lacking any hardcore proof whatever, and still nevertheless is higly regarded almost as high as a confirmed fact in the scientific community, I feel obliged joke about these guys who still lack the very basic fundament for their theory.

That's why I say that as long as we cannot find the absolutely hypothetical fundamental particle of the Higgs field, all known particles lack mass and without physical properties it makes our universe non physical.


The whole 50 year old developmental procedure behind the creation of todays Standard Model lacks correct scientific procedure.

You don't start with an empty theory and thereafter starts looking for evidence confirming your idea. You have to start with a discovery like an unexplained observation and go the other way around. Otherwise you are like the Faithers who start with a belief (theory) and thereafter tries to fit the observations around them into their model.

Maybe I should have been clearer and ended my sentence with a 

Gwandau