Probality of God

[tak22]

Evidence:  Jesus Christ rose from the dead.  Historical FACT, and the fact that I have personally met Him, I can also vouch for the truth of the matter.

So no matter what your faith or lack thereof, this begs for an insert of humor:

So where did you meet him? At a convention? Was he the guest speaker? Or at the mall? Or was he just wandering around, "lost'?

Did you get your bible autographed?

Did you post your picture with him on FB?

too much fun, gotta go .... LOL

tak

[Qwert]

Tito didnt say 'is'.  Dont put words in his mouth. Reread his quote.

Mags

You are right. It should be, for example:
I guess, you believe God created everything. How then you can say here "your father satan"?
Looks better? Satisfied?

[Magluvin]

You are right. It should be, for example:
I guess, you believe God created everything. How then you can say here "your father satan"?
Looks better? Satisfied?

Here is what Tito was replying to from Wilby...

"ohh... that's so christian of you...

you're not a true christian. you are satan's tool.

edit: and now you've changed your post... you're so deceitful. you wicked tool of satan..."  post 445

Anyone that reads that would think it implies that Wilby shows that he believes in Satan, yet not God as demonstrated many times, or, he is being sarcastic. Tito being not fully in concert with the english language will take what Wilby said at face value. It looks like Wilby believes there is a Satan. So Tito says...

"i'm amaze you are believing to your father satan. Why?, did you see him?"

Clearly Tito is wondering if Wilby considers Satan as his father. He is asking wilby, in amazement, why he considers Satan as his father. Because, if Wilby denies God for the most part because he cannot see him, how can Wilby make such statements such as "you are satan's tool." or " you wicked tool of satan..." if he didnt believe Satan exists, mostly because he cannot see him, just like he cannot see God?? ;] 

In no way is Tito claiming that it "is" fact, because what Titio said, "did you see him?" , Tito already knows that Wilby would not believe in something that he cannot see, clearly it is written across all these pages.  In stone.

Then you say, " I guess, you believe God created everything. How then you say here that his father is satan?" Again, Tito is questioning in amazement or even disbelief, as the 2 questions, "Why?, did you see him?" after,  clearly show. Some people do follow Satan, whether they believe there is a God or not. Some make that choice.

If we are going to argue or debate this subject, I will make argument on these comments and statements that are wrong, misleading and untruthful. I will pick it apart and get to the bottom of it. ;]

I wont let someone lie to make their case that God doesnt exist. If thats the way you guys will play this game, you will simple look like fools, if I have anything to do with it. ;]

Mags


   

[Gwandau]

Gwandau

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We were talking about BEING HERE AND NOW by not thinking. Fully aware, fully mentally conscious of everything around us to a degree far exceeding the ability of a thinking mind.
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Knowing a bit about what you speak of.[not enough]

would you have the whole planet  in this state ?
Or is this for a select few?

Do you have an agenda with this [besides this "awareness" obliviating all things "God"] ?

By Agenda I mean to Spread this Experience to others,to share?

Or is there some satisfaction in being so Unique,... that you would miss if everyone was just like you ?

The ability to stay in "this day" or Now is not all that novel,but quite hard to do.

Just trying to understand..........
Thx
Chet

@ramset,

thank you for a decent response quite contrary to the majority of posts in this overheated thread,
and if your interest is genuine it shows that we can actually listen without having to share the others point of view.

In fact, only those who do not feel threatend by other persons point of view have the ability to listen.

Would you have the whole planet  in this state ?   Or is this for a select few?

To be here and now is the original natural state of every being on this planet.  It is the only natural way to experience reality. It is the way we are born. Everything else that consciousness experiences is nothing but dead copies, second hand information stored in the intellect and projected upon everything we perceive as a distortive filter.

The natural state of mind would be the "Camera state". Instead we have become "Projectors", projecting our blueprints upon reality around us. That's why we have such a hard time to see things for what they are.

So there is really nothing special with being free of thoughts, it is modern man who has become a very special and perverted being by deviating from the natural state of mind.

Since this unfortunately is the normal state of mind today, the natural state has become exotic and strange, almost intimidating.

Do you have an agenda with this [besides this "awareness" obliviating all things "God"] ?

             By Agenda I mean to Spread this Experience to others,to share?

I have no agenda besides the futile dream of a planet were every human being are free from any form of dogma and were the virtues of true self respect casts it's light of peace, love and understanding upon everyone we meet.

Moral guidlines handed to us by authorities, may it be religious dogma or the law book, are poor crutches unfortunately neccessary in a world where self respect is as low as self esteem is high. The natural state of Man on earth will effortslessly create a society without any need for laws,police force, military, or moral guidelines. Just human beings with enough deposits on their own "inner bank accounts of self respect" to afford selfless behaviour, love and understanding to shine all around us.

I am not "obliviating all things "God"", I am just concerned about the sad tendency to follow fabricated dogmatic paths, which one time originally may have had some substance but which afterwards have been violated and destorted to fit the hiearchic society.

As far as I am concerned, God is not a being in the limited sense of perspective presented by organized religion. If you need a God, let God be a state of mind that equals egolessness.  Jesus and Buddha were both enlightened and egoless - one with God, and if you read about these two men without putting on the dogmatic glasses, you will see that they emphasized again and again that this state of mind was everybodys right to experience.

Or is there some satisfaction in being so Unique,... that you would miss if everyone was just like you ?

Everyone is potentially Unique, that's what it is all about. Today we are born into a society as originals but mostly tend to die as copies. That is very sad and is highly unfair to the newborn child.

The ability to stay in "this day" or Now is not all that novel,but quite hard to do.

Balance the tightrope of being Here and Now long enough and you will understand what I am talking about. It does not cost anything but your own Intent and it will make the true nature of your God visible.


Gwandau

[Tito L. Oracion]

Good morning everyone 



@mags


Ya buddy that is really in detailed i wan a meant. 
Thank you for the explain buddy.


i have here this: [size=78%]http://bible.cc/john/8-44.htm[/size]


now do you think we can trust wilby?, will you trust that kind of mouth. you're putting yourself into fire if you will.


well, yes i'm no perfect but what i'm saying is truth.


@qwert


inspired by the holy spirit: men controlled by the holy, good spirit.
do you think wilby can write those book if he is in control by the bad spirit. off course you can here from him the words  moron, idiot, satan tool, tacit, spagetti, repeating useless words etc. lol 
you can really discern a man to whoose spirit is in control with him. and you know what i mean. gus that is basic! 
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