Probality of God

[Bruce_TPU]

Gee, aren't we lucky, we are to be saved from the "wrath to come". And where is that wrath allegedly coming from ? From the biblical god of course! Another classic case of emotional blackmail - I'll help you to live and act as I say, so I can save you from my wrath!

Nope, not emotional blackmail, for emotion has nothing to do with it.  Humanity are "law breakers".  Do you think that the God of the entire universe, the auther of all laws of said universe, those discovered and those yet to be discovered, would not Himself be subject to certain laws, or "covenants" if you may?  A few attributes of God that you should know.  He can NOT lie.  He IS Holy. And law breaking humanity has NO part in His Kingdom.  Ahh, but you see He LOVES His Creation, so he made a way of "debt removal".  You think that God wants you to serve him or else, when in reality, the "or else is a given", but God So loves you, he made a possablilty for escape.  You don't even have to "do anything."  For man is not saved by good deeds but by faith in the name.  The Name of Jesus Christ.  For there is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved.  It is NOT the will of God that we should perish, but that ALL men should be saved.  He loves you SO MUCH that he sent his only son to die for our sins.  Would we send our only son to die on behalf of anyone, voluntarily?  NEVER.  Who then can fathom the love of God?  For neither height nor depth, nor trouble in this life can seperate us from the love of God.

Walking with Him,

Bruce

[hoptoad]

Nope, not emotional blackmail, for emotion has nothing to do with it.
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Wrath is an emotional expression of an emotional state.

[eatenbyagrue]

Nope, not emotional blackmail, for emotion has nothing to do with it.  Humanity are "law breakers".  Do you think that the God of the entire universe, the auther of all laws of said universe, those discovered and those yet to be discovered, would not Himself be subject to certain laws, or "covenants" if you may?  A few attributes of God that you should know.  He can NOT lie.  He IS Holy. And law breaking humanity has NO part in His Kingdom.  Ahh, but you see He LOVES His Creation, so he made a way of "debt removal".  You think that God wants you to serve him or else, when in reality, the "or else is a given", but God So loves you, he made a possablilty for escape.  You don't even have to "do anything."  For man is not saved by good deeds but by faith in the name.  The Name of Jesus Christ.  For there is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved.  It is NOT the will of God that we should perish, but that ALL men should be saved.  He loves you SO MUCH that he sent his only son to die for our sins.  Would we send our only son to die on behalf of anyone, voluntarily?  NEVER.  Who then can fathom the love of God?  For neither height nor depth, nor trouble in this life can seperate us from the love of God.

Walking with Him,

Bruce

What a load of nonsense.  Jesus is also god, according to theory, so he did not send his son, he sent an iteration of himself, which he knew could not die (it was god, duh).  So not much of a sacrifice.  He could create 100 more Jesuses before breakfast if he wanted to.

[CuriousChris]

What a load of nonsense.  Jesus is also god, according to theory, so he did not send his son, he sent an iteration of himself, which he knew could not die (it was god, duh).  So not much of a sacrifice.  He could create 100 more Jesuses before breakfast if he wanted to.

You cannot argue faith with logic. By its definition faith precludes logic.

Which is why its really odd that believers try to argue logic to support their faith. It cannot work.

Faithers only believe in their own version of faith.

For example those of the Jewish faith, christian faith and those who follow Muhummad, Beleive in the one (same) God. Yet only one of them believes Jesus was the son of God. and the other two rather than finding commonality in their beliefs hate each other.

All three claim their truth is the real truth because God tells them individually it is so. So which one is telling the truth? My own parents couldn't decide, so to solve the dilemma they joined a religious group that is both Jewish and believes Jesus is the son of God. its called Messianic Judaism.

So now this little trio has birthed a child, Messianic Judaism. and they claim that God tells them individually that they are the ones who know the truth and everyone else is wrong.

And then there are those who can't settle on their own version of faith. They call them selves spiritualists as if that makes a jot of difference.

Spiritiualists say they deal with the things science can't deal with. That shows a level of ignorance beyond compare. Science deals in all things. physical or "apparently" metaphysical.

In actual fact a Spiritiualist like the idea of religion but don't want the boundaries religions impose. In most religions I know of you cannot cross the divide of death (except Jesus, oh and lazerus). Spiritualists don't like that so they reject it and claim you can. so a spiritualist beleives whatever is convenient for that spiritiualist, No guidelines so they can never be wrong. What a simple world they live in.


In science there is only things we already know (theorise about). And things we are yet to discover.

One thing faithers cannot grasp. In Science we do not pretend to know the truth. We only allow ourselves to refine our knowledge. When science claims it knows the truth its an indication that those that utter it are forming a a religion and should be ignored.

There of course exceptions to this rule. Theories science has never been able to falsify, which in turn can be used to predict (unlike bible predictions which are only predicted post the actual event) other  things which are not immediately obvious. One of those unbreakable theories is of course conservation of energy. these things then move to the status of law. because so far they have proved physically impossible to break AND (important) they predict other non obvious things.

[eatenbyagrue]

You cannot argue faith with logic. By its definition faith precludes logic.

Which is why its really odd that believers try to argue logic to support their faith. It cannot work.

Faithers only believe in their own version of faith.

For example those of the Jewish faith, christian faith and those who follow Muhummad, Beleive in the one (same) God. Yet only one of them believes Jesus was the son of God. and the other two rather than finding commonality in their beliefs hate each other.

All three claim their truth is the real truth because God tells them individually it is so. So which one is telling the truth? My own parents couldn't decide, so to solve the dilemma they joined a religious group that is both Jewish and believes Jesus is the son of God. its called Messianic Judaism.

So now this little trio has birthed a child, Messianic Judaism. and they claim that God tells them individually that they are the ones who know the truth and everyone else is wrong.

And then there are those who can't settle on their own version of faith. They call them selves spiritualists as if that makes a jot of difference.

Spiritiualists say they deal with the things science can't deal with. That shows a level of ignorance beyond compare. Science deals in all things. physical or "apparently" metaphysical.

In actual fact a Spiritiualist like the idea of religion but don't want the boundaries religions impose. In most religions I know of you cannot cross the divide of death (except Jesus, oh and lazerus). Spiritualists don't like that so they reject it and claim you can. so a spiritualist beleives whatever is convenient for that spiritiualist, No guidelines so they can never be wrong. What a simple world they live in.


In science there is only things we already know (theorise about). And things we are yet to discover.

One thing faithers cannot grasp. In Science we do not pretend to know the truth. We only allow ourselves to refine our knowledge. When science claims it knows the truth its an indication that those that utter it are forming a a religion and should be ignored.

There of course exceptions to this rule. Theories science has never been able to falsify, which in turn can be used to predict (unlike bible predictions which are only predicted post the actual event) other  things which are not immediately obvious. One of those unbreakable theories is of course conservation of energy. these things then move to the status of law. because so far they have proved physically impossible to break AND (important) they predict other non obvious things.

Well said, Chris.  You are a gentleman and a scholar.