Probality of God

[Magluvin]

That's sad I actually expected more from you. I was going to get into an intellectual debate. you know you say but chris scholars have used data mining to show the bible is correct and I come back with its been proven with enough words data mining can show you anything and then you say what about numerology and so on and so forth.

But instead you conceded defeat.

By saying you must rely on faith, you are saying you have no basis for your belief.

The most disappointing thing about your failure to defend the bible. Is that I dont get to remind you that the jews wrote the old testament. According to you with the guidance of the holy spirit.

Why then do the Jews not believe in the new testament? Perhaps the new testament wasnt written with the guidance of the holy spirit?

Mores the shame.


This is the nature of a believer they do not even understand enough to question themselves.

A real and 'scientific' investigation, questioning Titos belief in God is far from what you show.

A real scientist, or even an ordinary individual, that is truly looking for real answers, would not stop at lack of physical proofs.

Why dont you ask 'what' he knows that he has experienced(testimony), rather than degrade and make fun of because you have already made up your mind? I see no logic or reason there.

I suppose you have read the Bible through and through to come to your conclusions. Well your conclusions are just as much fact or fairy tale as you conclude of Titos belief.

So tough luck. Your not even sure you are right, because you dont really know.

We say we do know. We tell you how you can know. You refuse to take a crack at it and proceed to denigrate us because we have done something that you simply refuse to put to the test yourself.

Thats like posting negativity in a tread about someones magnet motor though you never wound a coil, fiddled with batteries, nor magnets. You just read about it and formed your own 'opinions'.  Well there are many people here that can attest to learning more by doing than just what they read in any books.

Its not like we can teach you anything. You just throw it in our faces. So beit.  Thats the kind of person you are.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

But instead you conceded defeat.

By saying you must rely on faith, you are saying you have no basis for your belief.

Show me the post that Tito concedes defeat? Those are your words not his. What do you guys do? Find books on how to be an "amature discussion twister". Because thats all you are doing. Twisting words. Once others compare what Tito said then what you said, they can see the twist and who is doing the twisting. 

I see now that you must not have read or absorbed much of the Bible if you even tried. Because if you did, you would know that our belief is that we can only be saved by faith alone.  Or maybe you didnt get to that part.

So all that you say in this statement....
"By saying you must rely on faith, you are saying you have no basis for your belief."

...is a farce. It is an attack, putting in peoples minds what you want them to hear vs the truth, of which you seem to make that up as you go along.

Magzimus Leviticus

[hoptoad]

What is the use of studying this story if no purpose?.

Perhaps I should have said, no intrisically god related purpose. Purpose is a subjective abstract concept.

To give you an example. A film maker may create a movie, with a particular plot, and specific character types, to portray an idea that he thinks is worthy of public exposure.

The audience goes to see the movie. One audience member's purpose for being there may be to simply be entertained. Another may be there to see why there is so much public fuss about the movie. Yet another couldn't give two hoots about the movie's plot, they just want to see their favourite actors.

Purpose, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder, regardless of the intent of the creator, who in the above examples, is the movie maker.

You can feel good within yourself, that you've spread your message as best as you can. (as your faith demands of you)
But also accept that not everyone welcomes or respects your message, and nor should they have to.

You are happy with faith. Others are happy with knowledge. I have no great argument with either. I simply have no faith in anything, but I do have faith in people. Until I'm proven wrong about them.

Like many people, I have 'died' once already, and have been resuscitated, by modern medicine, which is based on knowledge not faith.
A famous Australian named Kerry Packer, who also 'died' once and was resuscitated, was quoted as saying, "I've been to the other side and there was nothing there!"

As an aside,however, if I was only given the choice between being right or being happy, but I could not be both, then I'd choose happiness.

Cheers

[CuriousChris]

A real and 'scientific' investigation, questioning Titos belief in God is far from what you show.

A real scientist, or even an ordinary individual, that is truly looking for real answers, would not stop at lack of physical proofs.

How wrong you are. Thats exactly where a real scientist would stop. you cannot prove (or disprove) the spiritual. So it stops there

Why dont you ask 'what' he knows that he has experienced(testimony), rather than degrade and make fun of because you have already made up your mind? I see no logic or reason there.




I suppose you have read the Bible through and through to come to your conclusions. Well your conclusions are just as much fact or fairy tale as you conclude of Titos belief.

So tough luck. Your not even sure you are right, because you dont really know.

We say we do know. We tell you how you can know. You refuse to take a crack at it and proceed to denigrate us because we have done something that you simply refuse to put to the test yourself.

Testimony is hearsay. It does not constitute evidence. I could relate my own 'testimony' I have had experiences where I believed I was haunted. some of my earlier years were very frightening indeed.

You forget or perhaps didn't bother to read where I explained I was once a devout christian. Unlike you or tito or Bruce, I was also introspective enough to question why I believed. I did not accept what I was told, because that's what sheep do. Instead I searched and discovered that I was being misled.

And yes I have studied the bible. Front to back.

Oh and the 'hauntings' I came to understand what they were. With that understanding they went away. Well mostly I still get them (very rarely) but I am no longer afraid. because there is nothing supernatural about them at all.

Thats like posting negativity in a tread about someones magnet motor though you never wound a coil, fiddled with batteries, nor magnets. You just read about it and formed your own 'opinions'.  Well there are many people here that can attest to learning more by doing than just what they read in any books.

Its not like we can teach you anything. You just throw it in our faces. So beit.  Thats the kind of person you are.

Magzimus Leviticus

I refer back to my previous statement. Its not you cant teach me its that I have already been there. I was born again. slain in the lord, spoke in tongues, witnessed miracles, been the subject of miracles. Yes everything. before that I was raised a catholic. my family are all devout christians my parents are messianic jews. one of my wifes best friends is the pastor of her own church. she and her husband are two of the nicest people I know.

So don't claim you cant teach me.

I was also an electronics technician I have wound hundreds of coils, Worked with batteries, designed magnetic solenoids, and play with magnets constantly. Currently I am a software programmer. If I don't know about something I refrain from commenting until I have learnt. Such as the recent threads about herons fountains. I now have a much better understanding of hydraulics than I did just a year ago. I designed my own OU heron fountain. of course it doesn't work but by doing such I was able to teach myself why it doesn't work.  That's why I am here. I have an insatiable curiosity.

Therefore I know when someone makes a claim about a coil that is completely untrue. and other baseless claims.

Such as your baseless claims about me.

And I notice you don't try to defend the bible either.

[CuriousChris]

Show me the post that Tito concedes defeat? Those are your words not his. What do you guys do? Find books on how to be an "amature discussion twister". Because thats all you are doing. Twisting words. Once others compare what Tito said then what you said, they can see the twist and who is doing the twisting. 

I see now that you must not have read or absorbed much of the Bible if you even tried. Because if you did, you would know that our belief is that we can only be saved by faith alone.  Or maybe you didnt get to that part.

So all that you say in this statement....
"By saying you must rely on faith, you are saying you have no basis for your belief."

...is a farce. It is an attack, putting in peoples minds what you want them to hear vs the truth, of which you seem to make that up as you go along.

Magzimus Leviticus

that's it no more talk.

That's the quote I responded to. so perhaps its you that is making stuff up?