Probality of God

[Magluvin]

Hi Mags,

It saddens me that it is so difficult for them to see.  If I wrote to you describing my wife, and our 25 year relationship and all she has done for me, and if you didn't believe me, and suggested my wife was a figment of my imagination, etc., and then you would act dumbfounded that I still claim to have a wife, and I am not swept away by your argument.

This is what they can not possibly understand, no matter how many times we tell it.   Hey Mags, I have a relationship with Jesus.  I met him when I was 17.  I have known him and walked with him for over 30 years.  I could fill novels of his miracles he has done on my behalf, and of his power he has revealed in me and through me.  He speaks clearly to me, and also speaks to me daily through his Word.  No religion.  But they can't comprehend, and refuse to understand.  So I give them over to the Lord to reveal himself to them.  He is sovereign, and has a way of getting each of our attention, in ways that we can understand.  They can neither understand nor comprehend.  For the natural man understands not the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to them.  So be it. 

I wish and pray salvation for each of them.  But, no one comes unto the Father, unless his Holy Spirit draws their heart.  Only the Holy Spirit can remove the blinders from their heart, that they might believe, and in believing, be saved.

The Lord Jesus Christ bless you and your family with peace,

Bruce

I agree 100%  Strange isnt it? Strange that there are so many of us that have consistency in our words and knowledge.

I was raised baptist, but didnt really get it till my late 30s. But, it did happen, and is happening all the time since. 

When we think about it, do we see in their words and statements and how they say it, any form of really wanting to help us? From what most of them believe that we are mentally disturbed? 

Lemme tell ya, if it were these people that ran an institution and treated the 'believer' patients like they show here, there would be some hell to pay when it were to be found out.   So they are not here to help us. What they are here for is to belittle us and falsify our words to "distract" others from hearing and absorbing them by instilling doubt and lies.

These are the kind of people that would, if they were alone with mental patients in a room, abuse them. Considering that they believe 'we' are institution material, look how they treat us!!!  So would I allow them to be in a room of helpless mental patients?

Its not that hard to see. Their ways are all over these pages.

So in reality, who are the real mental patient candidates that we can 'see' on these pages? Who are the ones that need to be behind a locked door for their actions?

Its all just silly. Fools as the Bible says. And they prove it every day.

Magzimus Leviticus

[Magluvin]

Absolutely not,

the only thing that disturbs me is the attitude that all possible ways to push your dope is OK, as long as you succeed in getting one more addicted, especially when this even includes the conditioning of the children, totally unaware of the violation made upon their free will and totally unable to defend themselves.

 
Sorry but wrong again,

I know exactly what kind of events and psycological background that lies behind peoples descisions to take the jump into faith.
And I don't blame them, I just feel pity for them, since what seems to be saving them is actually imprisoning them.

And I was not referring to your conscious reasons for your choices, I was describing the scenario BEHIND it all. You see, in many cases ones reasons for making a choice is not the real reason. That's why it is extremely important to question every important decision you make in your life BEFORE you make it, and critically evaluate it from every angle possible.

God did not create man in his own image, Man did create God in his own image.

Gwandau

"Absolutely not,"

I absolutely do!  Ill tell ya, just like I posted in my last post, I was raised baptist and didnt get it till my late 30s. And the way I found it was that I searched for it at that time. And boy did I get it!!!  Big changes that I could hardly believe myself as it goes along, just like Bruce stated himself.
I said it before, and I will say it again, you will never know till you try. I tried and I received, and reeived and received. I before E, except after C. ;]


"I know exactly what kind of events and psycological background that lies behind peoples descisions to take the jump into faith.
And I don't blame them, I just feel pity for them, since what seems to be saving them is actually imprisoning them."

And I say the same to you.



"And I was not referring to your conscious reasons for your choices, I was describing the scenario BEHIND it all. You see, in many cases ones reasons for making a choice is not the real reason. That's why it is extremely important to question every important decision you make in your life BEFORE you make it, and critically evaluate it from every angle possible."

Oh I can tell you my real reason was to know. You can twist what ever you want others to think about how I went about it and why, when I never stated any of it here, yet you know. Wow, you are psychic. Amazing. 


"God did not create man in his own image, Man did create God in his own image."

That is your statement. Now prove it. Otherwise it is just an opinion, of which why should anyone take your word for it if you cannot prove it?

Nice try.

Magzimus Leviticus

[hoptoad]

Otherwise it is just an opinion, of which why should anyone take your word for it if you cannot prove it?

All you can offer is opinion, no proof. Why should your opinion be given greater credence than anyone else's.
Your opinion is that the bible is inspired by your god. My opinion is that it's just a collection of allegory.

I don't agree with your opinion, but I accept your right to express it.

[Magluvin]

All you can offer is opinion, no proof. Why should your opinion be given greater credence than anyone else's.
Your opinion is that the bible is inspired by your god. My opinion is that it's just a collection of allegory.

I don't agree with your opinion, but I accept your right to express it.

Not really. I make statements based on my experience, experience that you do not believe.
I know many that have had the same and similar experiences. That is how we know each other.

Having similarities in these experiences brings up important questions.

Lets say for example, 4 different things that make Us feel and experience things that are mostly similar for each individual.

The feeling of Love
The feeling of anger
The feeling of being drunk
The feeling of a migraine headache.

There are cause and effect for each. Love and anger feel the way they do because of brain stimulation and chemical releases.. well you know that stuff. And drinking alcohol brings about similar feelings for most when taken to tolerance for each. And migraine are an effect of some cause, and the effects are very similar.

So what cause is it that you believe we are receiving that gives us the ability to feel and experience the things that we claim we do?  Is it that we all have lead poisoning to have these effects? Too much sun? You tell me why we all feel and experience the same things that we claim is knowing God? What is the commonality that produces this effect?
Other than that you are probably under the impression that we are all liars?  Probably, since you have not any solid proofs as to why we are the way we are. And if you do, please show them.

Mags

[CuriousChris]

Gwandau You touch on things I have touched on. but don't expect an honest and straightforward answer. They cannot give it.

Quite simply believers don't have an answer but they must continue to believe. This is part of being a believer.

I have spoken about the Evil God before. You can only expect non answers. I have given up on reading responses as they are little more than the same mantra.
"You cant understand unless you have faith"

What they fail to recognise is I once had faith so I do understand. I found religion wanting. It works first by isolating its followers from the rest of the world. For example "the brethren". Then it creates an "us and them" sense of fear. Jews, Muslims, Christians all do this. Then they say do not listen to those who are intellectual because they will sway you from the truth.

It is cultism refined.

So you will never get a straight answer. They don't know. They cannot answer because knowledge is foreign to them.

Some of the questions I have proposed and gone unanswered

1/ Why did 1/3rd of all angels leave heaven to join Lucifer in hell? Was god so bad that they had to be apart from him? The angels knew God directly therefore they know he is pure love, indefeatable but they chose hell instead so perhaps the pure love was not so pure?

2/ The old testament was written by the Jews supposedly by the hand of God. why then do the Jews reject the new testament. surely they know the work of gods hand.

3/ Why is God so mean. Take lots wife, her mistake was to look over her shoulder to the city where her daughters were being murdered by her husbands god. So she was murdered as well.

4/ Why did god wait 3,000 years before sending salvation in the form of Jesus. Why did he allow man to go for so long under the old rule.

5/ Why does god change rules. Perfection does not change cannot change.

6/ Muslims Jews and Christians all follow the same God. yet their beliefs are so different. At most only one can be right. Which is it?


This barely scratches the surface of the inconsistencies of their God.

"For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten son"

So God as Jesus comes to earth. He lives here for 33 years and dies on the Cross. Yes it was a terrible death. BUT NO WORSE than many others. Surely Jesus was looking forward to going back to himself as a full being not this castrated version as a human. yet he uttered the words "Why have you forsaken me". Forsaken means turned away from,  ignored.

Is it possible the Jews are correct? the new testament is not the word of God, just a story about the prophet Jesus? Because that's exactly how it reads. This shows that of the three Christianity is the most wrong. It can be ruled out as the correct faith.

There are so many unanswered questions but don't expect an answer from beleivers. They aren't found within religion only outside of it.

Bruce Tito and even Chet all have the same response. They attempt to be smug and contemptuous, they use christian methods to try and belittle you not realising those methods only work on christian.

I had high hopes of Mags. He does fight on further than the others. But when confronted he chooses to 'misread' what you write and cower under the same blanket "you must have faith, you must have faith" a little chant they are taught endlessly to keep them from asking hard questions.


In the end I believe most believers are not as far up the evolutionary tree. They are a little closer than the rest of us to our monkey past. Perhaps they have a big dose of VMAT2.

If true it is the ultimate in natures jokes on Christians. a Gene that makes people believe in god.

Talking of jokes take a look at this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOZIjWJpiBk

CC