Probality of God

[hoptoad]

No, because I find it appalling.  You on the other hand apparently do not.

Gravock

I find it extremely offensive that you would compare an imaginary angel having a relationship with a woman (supposedly made in the image of god), with bestiality between a real man and a real animal. (which I also find offensive - to the animal).  I also find offensive, your flippant LOL attitude toward mysogyny in the bible.

[CuriousChris]

If you actually tried to "read" the stories that you speak about, you would find how faulty your version is compared to the bible.  There was actually a pillar of fire and a cloud that kept the egyptian chariots from the Jews.  Also they have found a chariot wheel grave yard in the read sea.  So, laugh at that.

Ha Ha Bruce the joke is on you

Exodus 14:24. During the last watch of the night the Lord looked down from the pillar of fire and cloud at the Egyptian army and threw it into confusion.

So to escape the Egyptions the pillar of fire and cloud confused the army. Obviously it must have confused them for a long time to allow the Jews to get out of the city. There was two million of them after all. So assuming they were all fit and the city gates allowed it. it would take at least 3 days from the first person leaving till the last one walked out the gate.

Actually I believe the Jews were collected from all over Egypt. In which case it would have probably taken weeks to get them all together to start their improbable trek.

Exodus 13:21-22. By day the Lord went ahead of them in a pillar of cloud to guide them on their way and by night in a pillar of fire to give them light, so that they could travel by day or night. Neither the pillar of cloud by day nor the pillar of fire by night left its place in front of the people.

Then the pillar(s) moved to the FRONT of the at least 150 Mile column to lead them and NEVER LEFT so the Egyptians were free to catch them from the rear.

But lets ignore that and say God stopped the Egyptians, appeared day and night to lead them and then opened the sea for long enough maybe 5 days

Would you not call that a miracle? I would.

But as we have discussed before Miracles PROVE God and therefore deny true free will. Being a 'vengeful' God also denies free will.

So which cake do you want to have and to eat as well?


Oh and if you think the finding of a chariot wheel at the bottom of a stretch of water proves anything. then you my friend will believe in anything. perhaps it was originally a chariot wreckers yard. I am pretty sure they had them back then.

[CuriousChris]

In addition to Bruces's reply, you're totally wrong when you say there is no trace of them being in the desert for 40 years.  Watch this secret footage which was smuggled out of Saudi Arabia at great risk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cfPMKv2fBM

TPTB (satan) is hiding things from you.  We Win!!!!

Gravock

smuggled out at great risk. BALONEY. There was nothing in that video except false claims. Umm should I say err You Lose?

[hoptoad]

Oh and if you think the finding of a chariot wheel at the bottom of a stretch of water proves anything. then you my friend will believe in anything. perhaps it was originally a chariot wreckers yard. I am pretty sure they had them back then.

Given the historical overlap between, the osirians, the phoenicians, the ethiopians and the egyptions, with the various conflicts as well as  peaceful trading, then I would be more surprised if chariot wheels were not found all the way down both sides of the red sea. Trade routes by the egyptians extended to the furthest reaches on both sides of the red sea to gulf of Aden, with ancient mesopotamia sitting serving as the convergence point of all the middle east trade routes. I'd wouldn't be surprised to find old chariot wheels throughout the whole region.

[CuriousChris]

I dont label myself with a particular church. The Bible is the ultimate authority. Nobody had to sell it to me. I figured it out without being part of an affiliation.. And so can you. Ya just have to want it bad enough. 

Mags

That is the most correct thing you have said so far.

"Ya just have to want it bad enough. "

Perhaps you have read one of my quotes on the topic of OU.

"Wanting it to be so, doesn't make it so"

People here want over unity to be true SO MUCH they will believe any old rubbish. The story is the same for faithers.

If you want to believe in God, Chemtrails, OU, Alien visits enough you will accept the words of those people who tend to support your desires and ignore the words of those who do not support your desire.

That is the nature of man (well some anyway)

You say you found your own way. Well I say you chose who to listen to and who to ignore based on your "wanting it bad enough". If its made you happy, good for you. but that does not make it true.