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[ARMCORTEX]

Verpies it looks like a smart idea.

Make a tool, hope it pays for itself in time, 10$ hours in total profit vs time spent + added benefits more effectively freeriding., but destination will be ??

I guess now all that is left to worry about is how gamechanging this tool will be, you say this is necessary for OU devices ?? I would like to debate, why is a light intensity not an evidence of this effect ?

Also, where to sense and compare the effect, store measurement if we need, compare via frequency etc... This is pretty much a digital usb scope we are talking about ?? Voltage of measurement location measurement method ? You are measuring OU then we are not measuring from our primary DC circuit.

Basicly, is this  the device wich will detect the fast time event that Old Scientist saw on his scope ?? I am looking mostly at his experiments now as a guideline.


@ Geo, you were lighting those lumens in the first video ever presented to us by NickZ with 12 volts @ 2 amps, you measured this by ? I cannot even see a measurement in  the video ?

[Thaelin]

  How about droping a link to where that sch came from. Seems the cap values are missing.
This would be a great tool for the bench no matter what. Only real expensive part would be
the shunt, the better it is, the better the readings.

thay

[Khwartz]

  But, can a scope really tell what's going on with this type of energy? Non shocking, and one that can conduct on only one hair thin wire to a bulb, and the second wire connected from the bulb to a ground. This is not your everyday circuit, or electricity.
  One idea that comes to mind is to use a small battery, like the one the Geo used originally 12v, 1.3ah, and see how long it last while lighting the circuit. Or even two 9v batteries.
If you only get 5 minutes, that would be some kind of proof, but if it lasts 5 hours, or 5 days? What?
  Any way, the main thing is the loop, as Akula has shown.
Or not shown, as our house detective Hoppy would say.

Hi NitckZ.

Indeed, it doesn't need at all costly meters to prove overunity.

Light bulbs are a very wrong way to show out power cause the brigthness of a lilght bulb is not a linear function, not proportional to the voltage applied. 50% brightness DOES NOT MEAN 50% of outpower!!!

Only ways as Hoppy and I advise could be good if use of light bulbs: having a same light bulb lighted with the nominal power of the light bulb and a luxmeter with a closed box to compare the brightness. If the luxmeter registrer more lux while powering with a power at the input lower than the nominal power of the light bulb, you have your proof of overunity. But still need a luxmeter to buy...

Any way, I said and say again, that the most accurate and indubitable proof is with temperature and linear resistors, heating ones. Just need thermometers (and still two closed box)! If the temperature grows faster with the device than the heating linear resistor, then here too, you have proved your overunity. But without need of any costly meters! ...

BTW, then, if overunity achieved, more expensive meters may be very useful to understand exactly how it has been achieved and how to improve the results.

For input power consumption, indeed your way can be used but it is hard to know the exact capacity of a battery. I.m.o., high capacitors are much more accurate to calculate the exact energy stored than batteries

Cheers.

[verpies]

I guess now all that is left to worry about is how gamechanging this tool will be, you say this is necessary for OU devices ??

It is not necessary for OU devices - at least not any more necessary than a regular multimeter.

In the context of OU research, this converter is only a general tool to measure the Output / Input Power Ratio quickly and accurately and universally (without disturbing the circuit being measured much).

Most importantly this converter would prevent unexperienced experimenters from making bad power measurements and being led into a blind alley with great cost and waste of time.  Also, this tool would allow for catching of true but short power anomalies and with improvements, it would allow to differentiate between power drawn from vs. power fed back into the power supply.

I would like to debate, why is a light intensity not an evidence of this effect ?

Power is not an "effect."  That question doe not make sense as stated, thus I will rephrase it according to its anticipated meaning.
Q: "Why can't power be measured by a light intensity of an incandescent light bulb ?"
A: It can be, but:

1) A light bulb introduces huge impedance mismatches between the internal resistance of the power supply and the impedance of the Device Under Test (DUT), read this.  This is especially evident in Input Power measurement where the bulb does not even light up most of the time ...and if it does, it dissipates so much power that it significantly affects the power flow to the DUT.

2) Incandescent bulb's impedance changes with its temperature and the frequency of the current flowing through it.
    a) Filaments of most of light bulbs are coiled and possess significant self-inductance that limits the passage of HF currents through them.  This results in under-registering of HF currents.
    b) The power to light intensity function is highly nonlinear and at low power levels the bulb does not produce visible light at all.

3) One bulb cannot be used as a universal Power-to-Light Converter for many different voltages and currents.

4) The Light-to-Voltage converters (e.g. photovoltaic cells) are highly susceptible to the long-term heat created by the bulb as well as the ambient temperature.

5) The non-linear Power-to-Light transfer function of the bulb combined to the non-linear Light-to-Voltage transfer of the light sensor can create a non-monotonic Power-to-Voltage transfer function that can be the source of significant errors and ambiguities.
    a)  DC Calibration and interpolation is needed to linearize the Power-to-Voltage transfer function. This requires paper&pencil or a microcontroller for real-time linearization.  For best effects the temperature of the light sensor should be accounted for,

6) The light sensor is affected by the ambient light, necessitating a bulky dark enclosure, which aggravates the thermal influence of the bulb on the light sensor.

Grumage has constructed a "Wattbox" out of a light bulb enclosed in a steel can with a photovoltaic cell and he can tell you how well it really works.  I don't think he has ever used it to measure INPUT Power to any of his devices, because of the issues outlined in pt.1, but I have seen it used as a "measurable load" to measure OUTPUT Power of his devices.  Nonetheless, his "Wattbox" is many times better than eyeballing a light bulb or recording it with a video camera with an automatically variable aperture.

Also, where to sense and compare the effect, store measurement if we need, compare via frequency etc...

What "effect"?  This is just a general tool for measuring power.  It's just smaller, quicker and more accurate than a the "Wattbox" constructed out of a light bulb enclosed in a steel can with a light sensor.  With improvement, it can also separately measure  power drawn form power returned to the source.
Most importantly it is more universal than a light bulb, as it does not introduce impedance mismatches outlined in pt.1.

This is pretty much a digital usb scope we are talking about ??

No. The output signal out of this converter is a low frequency voltage that represents the average power flowing through this converter.  The output signal does not represent high frequency current nor voltage flowing through the converter.

Voltage of measurement location measurement method ?

I can't understand this question because of missing key grammatical structures, e.g. verbs.
If you are asking, how to connect this device, I think that AC IN and AC OUT labels on the schematic, are self-explanatory.

You are measuring OU then we are not measuring from our primary DC circuit.

This is a universal tool, not meant to be applied only to any particular device.  The phrase "primary DC circuit" most likely refers to some particular device and as such it is irrelevant to the discussion of merits of this converter.

OU is Output Energy divided by Input Energy > 1.
Aforementioned W-->V converters can accurately measure HF AC Output Power and Input Power with an ordinary voltmeter.  With an addition of long-term integration, they can also measure Output Energy and Input Energy, which is one of two ways of determining OU.

Basicaly, is this the device which will detect the fast time event that Old Scientist saw on his scope ??

If he was measuring power, then YES.
If he was measuring current or voltage separately, then NO.

[forest]

A simple mesurement : you need electric kettle and two bottles of water with known quantity and the same temperature. First boil that water with electric grid power and measure time required to boiling point, then let the kettle coold down and do the same with Ou device.