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[Khwartz]

  Verpies:
  Thank you for your clarifications.
   
quote from Verpies:
"The open circuit battery voltage is another faulty method of estimating the energy content of a battery. Especially a lead-acid battery."
                                                                end quote
  I understand the above, but, can you explain why an immediate AMP reading of a 12v lead acid battery used in these circuits (once disconnect from the circuit), would not sufficient proof of the drain, or lack of it, on the battery's charge?

  Your power metering idea, seams to have merit. Possibly one of the members here will follow through on it, and can therefore show us all how well it works.
  I am still working on getting my circuit to show some promising results, which quite obviously is no where close to being near anything worth mentioning. 
   My concern is that we are dealing with a different type of energy, possibly magnetic in nature, gravitational, or something even more illusive, or unmeasurable. Such as the Aether which you don't believe in, because it can't be proven, YET.

Dear NickZ, what ever kind of energy used doesn't change anything about measuring, estimating, the capability of a device to power a home.

If we want to heat the home, we need a "real"  or "true" output power in Watts; so measuring (properly like Verpies discribed) the "joule effect" of a linear resistive load, will be still the relevent measuremnt what ever energy source you are taking in.

[Khwartz]

Because a 12V lead-acid battery consists of several cells, and each has a different discharge profile which is very non-linear.  The temperature of the electrolyte&plates, porosity/surface area, sulfation and electrolyte stratification influence them strongly.
If you could measure each cell individually, then you could make a rough estimate of the State of Charge if and only if the electrolyte&plate temperature is kept constant.  Note, that the electric current flowing through the battery will raise its temperature even if the ambient does not.  This is one of the reasons why a lead-acid battery should sit idly for several hours before cell measurements equalize.

Didn't know these specifics about the lead batteries. But doesn't necessarely need to be so precise, but obviously depends of the range of COP tested. As someone said before: if the battery doesn't discharge and even rises its voltage while the device is under load, you have your proof of overunity without anything else.

[Farmhand]

Didn't know these specifics about the lead batteries. But doesn't necessarely need to be so precise, but obviously depends of the range of COP tested. As someone said before: if the battery doesn't discharge and even rises its voltage while the device is under load, you have your proof of overunity without anything else.

Absolutely false. Go to 5:00 in the (non public trick video Reveal) I made below (just for this subject) and see the battery voltage rise under the load of a 60 Watt bulb on a regular purchased inverter. It's the battery chemistry that allows it. I can show a very much more dramatic effect of the same rising voltage even with a simple light bulb as a load. It is perfectly normal for the battery voltage rise for a period of it's loading before dropping again, first it drops then it rises then it drops continuously as the battery chemistry balances with the load, the chemistry is much slower than the charge loss so the chemistry overshoots the load for a period is all. The entire time the battery is losing charge even though the voltage is rising. Fact.

By your reasoning my inverter and light bulbs should be OU but they end up draining the battery down, go figure. Try it and see.

I explain what I see happening at about 8:30 in the video. In context I was explaining after i had made a trick video without the explanation which is at bottom.

Clip reveal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTv0n1bS35E

This is a trick video. A fake to show a point.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFNLxCvOim8



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[Khwartz]

Because a 12V lead-acid battery consists of several cells, and each has a different discharge profile which is very non-linear.  The temperature of the electrolyte&plates, porosity/surface area, sulfation and electrolyte stratification influence them strongly.
If you could measure each cell individually, then you could make a rough estimate of the State of Charge if and only if the electrolyte&plate temperature is kept constant.  Note, that the electric current flowing through the battery will raise its temperature even if the ambient does not.  This is one of the reasons why a lead-acid battery should sit idly for several hours before cell measurements equalize.
That's a valid concern. Undiscovered forms of energy can exist. But if they do we should learn how to differentiate them from conventional electric current in conductors and electrostatics.
Unmeasurable energy is an energy that cannot make any difference.  It might not be measurable with a multimeter or calorimeter or radiation meter, but it must be measurable in some manner or it might as well not exist at all.  The same goes for virtual particles.
...and Aether as a mysterious substance with contradictory properties that fills space which acts as a container of objects, is just a mental crutch.

If I am completely agree with you about been measurable and existing at least in our perceptible world, cause not measurable means NOT BEEN ABLE TO INTERACT WITH METERS, so if it can't interact with our ordinary physical matter we use daily, what worth an energy which is not able to provide any physical effect? Powering a home, like heating it, needs an interaction with molecules. But it it does, so we can make measuremnt of, and if it can't, we can't either use or measure it. ....

But about "crutch idea" about eather, you look to me still missing a big amount of humility and still have a gigantic disrespect for minds that have other views and understanding than yours but have not less intelligence than you.

Until now, none of your arguments anywhere having convinced me of the impossibility of something like an "eather", with all cautions we know we need to use with this word and concept(s) behind. But all these discussions are supposed to be run elsewhere than in this thread, right?

[NickZ]

   Khwartz:
   Unfortunately only a handful of people in the world have taken the time or opportunity to replicate any of the devices that we've been discussing, throughout all these pages, including the power monitoring device that Verpies has been talking about.
Will you be the first??? And show us all it's actual working usefulness, which would convince the rest of us to try to make it ourself?

  I've now obtain a couple of new IRF 510 Fets (the only ones that I could get from RS), and will proceed to replicate a new Mazilli circuit using them. Along with some 12v zeners, and regular In4001 diodes, resistors, and several different value caps.
I'll also try this new oscillator circuit on my older yoke core set up which I had made previously for the akula replication. As well as with a flyback core wound as Geo has recommended for this purpose.
I know that the above mentioned components are not ideal, but it's all I can do for now. Better to try it, than sit on my hands and just make more armchair comments on this site.

  I sent a detailed e-mail to Igor today, but the e-mail address has been changed possibly in the last couple of days, and so, it was a no go for me trying to contact him, personally. This was no surprize as he posted his e-mail address on his youtube video comment section, and probably received more questions than he wants to answer.