Seven times more energy output than input: Power Multiplier Device

[johnny874]

hey Jim.
right just to make sure this is clear in my mind.

let me break it down, for every 1cm up, there is 7 cm down at an angle right?

so you could make a small demo machine that uses the same principle, a triangle in the middle then an outer frame, connect 8 balls together with string and put them at different points so that 1 is about the clime the stright up and the other 7 are positioned at equal pints around the down side starting right at the top of the incline and finishing 7cm away from the either ball that is about to climb the 7cm vertical rise.
if this design works then the balls in the machine would start by them selves and keep going until all the ballls hd baan up the vertical slope and the eight ball was just about to ascend.

It would be an easy experiment to test your theory however the downward angle would act as gearing that would make them 7 times less effective than the ball going up, so in short, ball bumber8 wouldnt go anywhere.

try it, its using the same principal as a wheel and motor but would be cheap to build and test.
if iv got it wrong then i apologize.
If in doubt, build the machine and see. after all if motors and alternators are being used, you should be able to increase the amount of weights /ball to make the machine a self runner.

  lightend,
I am going to ask helloha if he might be interested in making an animation.
With this, if a weight drops paralell to the axle, (using 1 meter for refernce, 100%),
if one weight is 70 cm's from the axle and the one being lifted is 10 cm's, it is a nice 7to 1 ratio.
4 or 6 weights would be all that is needed to try something like this.
How it could work is when the weights are lifted by a belt, it can roll off of it and down a ramp and land
on the outside of the wheel. When the wheel rotates, the slot the ball is in will have a downward angle allowing it
to roll onto a ramp and to the bottom of the belt.
What it would be taking advantage of if possible is that a weight at 1 meter could lift a weight the same height or
slightly higher than what it drops because the forces would be calculated to be in equilibrium if it 70 cm's of torque.
Will repost this in helloha's thread and see if he'll work his magic.

                                                                                                                           Jim

[johnny874]

  @All,
Doubt this could work unless the original idea of using a generator and motor can work.
Why I  think the orignal idea might be possible is the falling weight would be moving faster than the weight being lifted.

Jim

[Neo-X]

In my opinion, the exess energy is not comming from the gravity but in either generator or in motor.

[lightend]

ok, well if your minds made up, all i can do is give some advice on how to make the build easier.

rather than using a weight and having the motor turn on and turn off,
if could be better to use water, send the water up then let it trickle down over a larger waterwheel type arrangement (or a belt), this would eliminate the need for tricky things like auto starting motors when the weight gets to the bottom.

for an added bit of consideration, you could consider submerging the whole device and turning it upside down to use air

just something to consider if your going to try and build it.
best of luck to you
cheers
mark

[lightend]

ohhh, i get it now, you are trying to use the added torque from the end of the shaft to the central point.
thats more interesting than what i thought you were thinking of building (must have past me by the first couple of times i looked at the pictures)

I still think that it will have the effect of gearing it.
the wheel will move slower, so to speed it up you will have to put with through a gearbox to get it to 1,500rpm. if the wheel moves at 10 rpm. you will need a 150:1 gearbox, which will mean the weight will need to be 150x heavier, of course you could make the wheel bigger but then it will go slower so the weight will have to be heavier still to be able to move the increase of gearing.
every time you make the weight heavier to move the wheel, you will need to increase the size of the motor lifting the weight.

so your stuck in a loop of every increasing the size of the wheel and the gearing and the weight and the motor.
other wise you could just connect a large wheel to an alternator and on the out side of that wheel put a motor, this is essentially what this design is doing.

let me have a think,
if 1 ball going down could pull up a weight going up (by using 4 connected wheels and 4 weights) ....mmmm, that would also need gearing, unless you though of a way that hasn't been tried before.
cheers
mark